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2010 budget

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  1. anonymous
    Member

    I gotta say I agree with spatny. we can't raise any more taxes. there is no money. It's been said that the only people with any money are those who are government workers. So if you work in Cook county or are public school teachers, your jobs are safe and you have money to spend. please spend it. spend it on stuff so that the retailers will not lay anyone off--or they may even hire a teen. spend your money--treat someone who is unemployed or underemployed to a nice dinner out---or even McDonalds. it's your money, but through the magic of taxation, it once was ours.

    bah humbug to me, too? No, I'm just realistic. that 's the problem. no one wanted to face reality and that's why we ended up in the mess we're in. and we're in a mess. but like I said before, if you work for the government, then you are for the most part immune;

    Posted Thursday Dec 24, 2009 00:24 #
  2. JohnM
    Member

    Don,

    The finance director said the fund transfer was legal. He did not opine on whether it was sensible. Maybe it was, but my point is that this is a short term solution. At some point spending reserves and deferring obligations won't work anymore. What then?

    Anonymous,

    I think you exaggerate. Riverside is not yet a Hooverville. Plenty of people are still gainfully employed, and most of the don't work for the government. Anecdotally, I've noticed more commuters on my train lately. It dropped dramatically last year as layoffs took their toll, but its more crowded now. I'm not saying this is evidence of a recovery, but it has been noticeable.

    We're heading for a fiscal crisis. We can either face up to it and make some hard choices, or we can keep delaying the inevitable.

    Posted Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:10 #
  3. spatny
    Member

    John , I think you are harping about a very small amount of money that was being carried in a fund where it did no one any good. Really, it is just the consolidation of village assets and dropping one account that had, by unanimous consent (after Sells reevaluated it and decided it wasn't "money laundering") did no harm.

    Back in the days when we were led by others they spent money on all kinds of things that might have been interesting to them, or that in better times might be nice to have, but were predicated on the theory that real estate would always go up and revenues would be steady. Then the nation and indeed most of the world got hit with the double whammy. Now it would be nice to have the dough that was spent then on projects and real estate, wouldn't it. But it's gone, and we have some stuff that is worth less than we paid for it. Well, so do many homeowners. So be like those birds - be tenacious - keep going.

    There was so much written here about our services being already thin to the bone, yet now some want to cut personnel and buy new vehicles and do what? Raise taxes. Which we may have to do - but not yet. Right now I doubt anyone would vote for them, and I bet the overwhelming majority of the folks out there are happy o see the Board try and cope with what they have. If the situation worsens or stretches out further than we can hold the line then that may be the only thing to do. As for 2010 - it looks like they can make that and two years more with just a modest improvement in revenue. So let's try... what's the alternative? Maybe a squad car can go 90,000 instead of 60,000. My car just hit 90K and it runs fine. Maybe we can stop buying everything it would be nice to have and just operate with what we've been using. Want to have a vote on which way to go - right now?

    Posted Thursday Dec 24, 2009 10:15 #
  4. anonymous
    Member

    No, we're not Hooverville. God forbid that should happen. Is Riverside immune from all of the talk of unemployment and underemployment? With the national figures what they are (10%) and the state figures what they are (10.9%)) then just who doesn't have a job? The reports always say that the real unemployment rate is 18%, if you include those who have part-time jobs or have stopped looking for work. Riverside must be a utopia.

    DuPage County fares a little better, at 8.6%. Have you shopped at Oak Brook lately? I went there the other day and was stunned to see the lack of merchandise at normally overfull stores like Pottery Barn and Crate and Barrel. The stores looked full, but only because they rearranged the stores to look that way--such as putting large furniture items in the front of the stores. The parking lots were not full. Either the reports are wrong, that we are NOT in a deep recession (the worst since the Great Depression, is always mentioned), or people aren't spending just cuz.

    You state that "We're heading for a fiscal crisis. We can either face up to it and make some hard choices, or we can keep delaying the inevitable." You're right. But lets not keep layering tax after tax after tax on us poor homeowners. At least 10% and maybe even 18% of us are facing critical money woes. Look around. I'll bet you have some idea of who is hurting. I guarantee they aren't public sector workers. And if you have a job right now, don't gloat because no one in immune. I'm not exaggerating.

    JohnM, I don't know you. Have you lived here long? Have you ever in your life seen so many homes foreclosed upon? How many people have been forced to move? How many people are spending their last Christmas in their homes? I guess another way to say this is---If you live in glass houses....

    Posted Thursday Dec 24, 2009 10:21 #
  5. JohnM
    Member

    Don,

    The money that was transferred from the parking lot fund was not insubstantial--if memory serves, it woas over $200K. Again, maybe this was the right call. My point is that we can't continue to rely on budgetary manuevers to address the revenue problems.

    Anon,

    I don't mean to gloat, and I sincerely hope I didn't come across that way. I understand the financial difficulties we're all facing. However, my point remains the same. We have to address falling revenues. I'm not suggesting we do a tax increase now, but I am suggesting that we need to recognize it is inevitable, and lay the groundwork now. Make a tax increase part of a comprehensive plan focused on reestablishing our fiscal health--stop doing things in a vacuum and relying on piecemeal soultions to a systemic problem.

    I've lived here for 3 years, but I grew up in North Riverside. You are correct that the number of foreclosures and people forced out of their homes is the highest it has ever been. However, I also recall the late 70s and early 80s, when Riverside was decaying--a falling and aging population, property being neglected, few new families moving in, etc. Things are bad now, I agree. However, things have been bad before as well.

    Posted Thursday Dec 24, 2009 12:02 #
  6. anonymous
    Member

    I hope and pray that things will improve soon. Unlike the 70s and 80s, this is a financial crisis of global proportions. I heard yesterday that the US had to borrow from Bermuda, but had to go through another country, I forgot which, to do so. This is insane. We're the United States of America. All US government agencies have to STOP SPENDING. THERE IS NO MORE MONEY. WHAT THE US PROMISES IN AID IS NOT OUR MONEY. We have to borrow it. Congress voted to raise the debt ceiling. No. We have to stop spending and promising aid and entitlements to everyone. Or we are nothing more than a banana republic, and will see $30.00 loaves of bread. Not like the 70 and 80s at all.

    Posted Thursday Dec 24, 2009 12:56 #
  7. Kelly
    Member

    The Village of Riverside is spending more than it is taking in. If you were considering moving to Riverside, or opening up a business, or buying a building like the Arcade - wouldn’t this financial instability cause you to look elsewhere?

    A tax increase seems to be off the table, we are stuck with declining revenues and there are no alternative revenue sources. It’s time to start setting priorities and begin eliminating what the majority thinks we don't need.

    I agree with Ben Sells – this is an issue of open and transparent government. I watch the board meetings, but when Trustees Sells, Sussman or Scully brings up the topic of setting priorities; the Village President tells them they are not to address it. I’d love to know where the conversations are taking place to address this monumental problem facing Riverside. Other than shifting the funding for crossing guards from the Village to Dist 96, I have not heard of one thing the majority has even considered cutting. It is sure clear - we can’t fund everything and cuts are inevitable. When do we become privy to what’s on the chopping block?

    Landmark Article comment by Ben Sells, posted Thursday, December 24, 2009.
    See http://www.rblandmark.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=5659&TM=50337.3

    The above quotes by Trustees Sacchi and Shevitz reinforce my complaint that this budget falsely portrays our Village’s financial standing. Both persist in clever wordsmithing to avoid acknowledging what is actually going on. For my part, I think the Village’s budget should be clear and easily understandable. It should not require reading between the lines or fact checking by our residents.

    This budget claims to have reserves of $1 million, a talking point often repeated by the majority bloc on the Board. What goes unsaid is that approximately $356,000 of that amount is actually deferred payments for known obligations. It includes: $260,000 for vehicle replacement (patrol cars, ambulance, etc.) $29,000 for technology maintenance and upgrades (especially important when working short-staffed as the Village does) $39,000 for required pension contributions that will have to be made up in the near term at a greater cost due to accrued interest $18,000 to replace a driveway at our Fire Station that our Public Works Director has informed the Board is structurally unsound and $10,000 for maintaining and replacing playground equipment that our Parks and Recreation Director has informed the Board is unsafe. These are not niceties, they are necessities.

    To claim that by postponing these necessary expenses they somehow become “savings” is nonsense. What homeowner would refuse to pay their electric bill and then call that money savings?

    Trustee Sacchi says that no money has been transferred from the Capital Improvement Fund. Technically true, but practically speaking false. The majority has simply refused to fund the Capital Improvement Fund the way they said they were going to. This allows them to then spend the $356,000 in deferred obligations on daily expenses, despite their claims to the contrary, which I believe is a recipe for failure. They have not offered a single idea about how this money, once spent, will be replaced. Indeed when asked if they could even account for the payments they have deferred, not a single member of the majority bloc could do so – if they can’t keep track of things then how are our residents supposed to?

    Trustee Shevitz’s comments miss the point entirely. He attempts to reframe this discussion as a spending issue when it is really an issue of open and transparent government. Nobody thinks that we should increase spending, and I have repeatedly said that we must use reserves in the short term to make up for the structural deficits we face. Where he is wrong, and where his comments mislead our residents, is that the majority is not using reserves to meet the shortfall – they are using capital funds and then pretending they are not. Worse, they then claim that we have more reserves than we actually do. My question is: Why? What is gained by confusing our residents as to where we actually stand? Wouldn’t it be better to simply give our residents the facts as to how the Board is spending our communal tax dollars?

    There is no point in veiling the truth, and I will continue to resist efforts at reframing our budget discussions in ways that distract attention from the real and pressing issues we face. Our residents are smart, sophisticated people who deserve straight talk and honest disclosures from their government.

    Posted Monday Dec 28, 2009 14:05 #
  8. ChrisHajer
    Member

    Raising the vehicle sticker fee $25 will net $150,000? There are really 6000 vehicles registered in Riverside? Wow.

    It seems like a few more small changes like this could potentially add up to a lot of money. I think it goes towards having people pay for the services they use. You use a vehicle on village roads, you have to pay for maintenance. You want your kids in sports at parks & recreation, you should pay the full amount, not a subsidized amount. I think subsidies are another way we're being mislead. You should pay for the services you use (water, garbage, parking, roads, parks, etc.)

    Posted Monday Dec 28, 2009 14:19 #
  9. anonymous
    Member

    I posted this in another thread. This needs more attention from everyone.

    WE HAVE TO DEMAND THAT OUR GOVERNMENT STOP SPENDING OUR MONEY. DO THEY NOT REPRESENT US?

    IN 1, 3, OR 5 YEARS FROM NOW, THE CONGRESSMEN AND WOMEN, AND THE SENATORS WHO VOTED FOR THE MASSIVE SPENDING WILL BE VOTED OUT OF OFFICE, AND THEN WHO CAN WE BLAME? THEY WILL HAVE THEIR CONGRESSIONAL PENSIONS AND THEIR HEALTHCARE (not the one that we must have) AND THEY WILL BE LONG GONE. AND THEN WHAT? OUR COUNTRY WILL BE BANKRUPT WITH NO WHERE TO TURN. ANARCHY WILL BE A DEFINITE.

    IT IS OUR COUNTRY. THEY MUST LISTEN TO US. WE MUST DEMAND THAT THEY STOP SPENDING OUR MONEY. WE DON'T HAVE ANYMORE.

    CALL YOUR CONGRESSMEN. CALL THE SENATORS. MAKE THEM LISTEN TO US. STOP SPENDING.

    We must do this at all levels, too. From the local school boards to the village government. Life as we knew it is over.

    Posted Monday Dec 28, 2009 14:38 #
  10. Kelly
    Member

    I like the idea of paying for services you use, garbage being one example. I would have loved the pay as you throw program and think it is totally unfair to make my neighbor (who has one jewel bag of garbage per week) pay the same as our family of 5.

    Posted Monday Dec 28, 2009 15:10 #

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