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A different way to look at a TIF

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  1. Tim
    Member

    Draw 2 circles.

    One Big. One Small.

    In the Big Circle, write the number 12%...this is residential growth in EAV. This area is growing well above CPI without TIF incentive.

    In the Small Circle, write the number 2.7%...this is commercial growth in EAV. This area is barely growing above CPI without TIF incentive.

    Now draw a third circle, make that circle overlap the Big Circle and the Small Circle. Inside that third circle write the number 9%. That is a proposed TIF district.

    You'll notice, the proposed TIF district includes EAV from both commercial and residential property.

    If you created a TIF in the small circle, the one that only contained commercial property, you could really argue that any growth in EAV above CPI was secondary to redevelopment induced by the TIF. You could argue that the taxes generated from EAV growth in that area would not have been there 'but for' the TIF.

    If you created a TIF in the big circle, the one that only contained residential property, you could argue that the area was already growing well above CPI with no TIF incentive and any future growth would have occurred naturally, whether or not there was incentive from the TIF. You could argue that taxes generated from increase in EAV from this area would have been there 'inspite' of the TIF.

    The TIF law was created for properties in the Small Circle. The intent of the TIF law is to stimulate growth in 'blighted' areas.

    The TIF law was not created for properties in the Big Circle. It violates the law to TIF an area that is 100% residential with established growth in EAV at 12% occurring naturally without a TIF incentive.

    Now, we have our third Circle. This circle combines property (EAV) from the Small Circle and the Big Circle.

    Now one might ask how we can have TIF District that combines the SMALL CIRCLE and the BIG CIRCLE and has a growth in EAV of 9%?

    The 'spirit' of the TIF law actually would not allow it. There is too much growth already present due to residential property.

    Now take a look at the impact on the taxing bodies.

    We have a combination of two areas where some growth in EAV would not have occurred 'but for' the TIF and the remainder of growth in EAV would have occurred 'in spite' of the TIF.

    Property Taxes contributing to the THIRD CIRCLE tax base due to growth in EAV above CPI in the SMALL CIRCLE would not have been there 'but for' the TIF.

    Property Taxes in the THIRD CIRCLE tax base due to growth in EAV of the LARGE CIRCLE would have been there 'inspite' of the TIF.

    If the TIF District is put wholly in the SMALL CIRCLE, the taxing revenue lost to all other taxing districts would be roughly CPI...we have already been told that over 23 years of growth the cost to the schools would be small roughly $50,000 a year. For a TIF FUND grown for 23 years in the SMALL CIRCLE the school's lost revenue would only be $1,150,000.

    If the TIF District is put wholly in the LARGE CIRCLE, the taxing revenue siphoned into the TIF FUND would have belonged to all taxing bodies because development in these areas would have occurred —˜inspite' of the TIF incentive. If you had a TIF FUND grow to $30,000,000 in the BIG CIRCLE, the proportion of that which belonged to the schools would historically be 60%, regardless of caps. For a TIF FUND grown to $30,000,000 in the BIG CIRCLE the school's portion would be $18,000,000.

    Now the Third Circle is actually a combination of the two other circles. To estimate the impact on our taxing bodies within the THIRD CIRCLE, you have to factor in the combination of the impact of the SMALL CIRCLE and the BIG CIRCLE.

    One way to do this would be to separate out the percentage EAV of the THIRD CIRCLE contributed by the SMALL CIRCLE and the LARGE CIRCLE.

    If x = Percentage contribution of small circle to third circle EAV
    Y = Percentage contribution of the large circle to the third circle EAV
    2.7= Percent Growth in the EAV of the SMALL CIRCLE
    12 = Percent Growth in the EAV of the LARGE CIRCLE
    9 = Percent Growth in EAV of the THIRD CIRCLE

    X + Y = 1
    2.7 (x) + 12 (y) = 9

    If you solve this equation, X = roughly 33%, Y = roughly 67%

    SMALL CIRCLE contributes to 33% of THIRD CIRCLE EAV
    LARGE CIRCLE contributes to 67% of THIRD CIRCLE EAV

    EAV is the basis for property taxation in all 3 circles.

    For a TIF in the THIRD CIRCLE that grew for 23 years, the SMALL CIRCLE contribution to school's lost revenue would be 33% of $1,150,000 or $379,500.

    For a TIF in the THIRD CIRCLE that grew to $30,000,000, the LARGE CIRCLE contribution to school's lost revenue would be 67% of $18,000,000 or $12,060,000.

    Based on these assumptions, if you add up the amount of revenue lost to the schools from the SMALL CIRCLE share and the LARGE CIRCLE share you arrive at $12,439,500 as the combined lost revenue to the schools if you create a TIF DISTRICT in the THIRD CIRCLE.

    If you believe the —˜spirit' of the TIF Law and understand the reality of naturally occurring residential growth, this is another way to look at a proposed TIF.

    Posted Tuesday Feb 27, 2007 11:25 #
  2. Catherine
    Member

    Thank you for this excellent, complex analysis Tim. It would appear by the lack of a response that no one is equal to disputing it, or that it is indisputable.

    Posted Wednesday Feb 28, 2007 16:36 #
  3. MikeT
    Member

    Is this one reason that they encircled residential - to get more money, even though the residential properties might not qualify?

    --that is, in addition to TJMax's (tm)+, and his brethren's, plan and the parking deck on Pine.

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    +Tim's invention

    Posted Wednesday Feb 28, 2007 17:39 #
  4. Tim
    Member

    I cannot speak for "their" intentions.

    Certainly, the higher percentage in the THIRD CIRCLE from the BIG CIRCLE = the faster a TIF FUND will grow without incentive. These FUNDs would be taxes that would have otherwise gone to other taxing bodies.

    The letter of the law allows a component of the BIG CIRCLE to be admixed with the SMALL CIRCLE...but, it is not without effect.

    Posted Wednesday Feb 28, 2007 18:24 #
  5. MikeT
    Member

    Expanding on Tim's circles:

    I was curious: What if the cbd were 'healthy'? Would there be talk of doing a TIF in the cbd by the Village?

    By 'healthy' I mean:

    *there were no vacancies in the street level store fronts. There were concerns operating in them roughly like the ChewChew, Fresh Express, Bakery, etc - small mom and pops. (No retail juggernauts, that is.)

    *the rents coming in were reasonable healthy; but see footnote question below.+

    *the facades and the buildings were up to code (examples: the Riverside Bank or Riverside Plumbing)

    *presumably, rate of EAV growth+ of the cbd would be higher than the cpi.

    And if, for example, that NIU survey question, "should the Village 'do something' about the cbd?", were asked of the Villagers, less than 10 pct would say 'No'. There would not be an obvious problem to solve in the cbd. This is disctinguished from the 70 something pct that said 'yes' to that question a few years back.

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    C Pipal said in one of the workshops that he owns a building in the cbd that is fully leased, and he further said that he had 'no doubt' that the Tower Building would also be fully leased if he were running / owning it.

    A variation on my question: if CP, or CP like people were owning the T Building and other south Burlington spaces, would the Village still be looking for a TIF in the cbd?

    This question also tries to pull out the distinction between the Village's need for 'big time MONEY' and cleaning up the cbd, which seem to be the dual impetuses behind the TIF in the cbd. This question also touches on the inclusion of residential into the TIF district.

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    +what determines the EAV of a mixed use commercial property? Is it a function of the vacancy rate, or the amount of income coming in?

    Posted Monday Mar 5, 2007 09:42 #
  6. Catherine
    Member

    No, they would still be after the CBD AND the rest of the TIF district, because they want or need the condo property tax revenues.

    This might also explain why nobody seems concerned about all the businesses that have left town - and that will leave town - since this process started.

    Posted Monday Mar 5, 2007 10:21 #
  7. MikeT
    Member

    This is very interesting. I think the STATED REASON for the TIF was to revitalize the cbd and 'to make it as beautiful' as the non cbd (Village Manager said this in a newspaper account).

    So if they simply circled the cbd proper+ in the tif district, AND it were successfull in its mission to 'revitalize' and make beautiful the cbd, this would not get the Village the money it needs?

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    +cbd: is defined, I believe, east from century 21 to west to (either Riverside Garage or to the north Pine parking lot - I am not sure whether the Parking lot is in the cbd or not). North/south burlington, and north/south Quincy.
    Someone - can you drop a jpeg here the shows the cbd and the tif district?

    Posted Monday Mar 5, 2007 10:51 #
  8. Catherine
    Member

    Who can read those ridiculous maps? Can someone provide a plain English statement of the current draft boundaries of the proposed TIF area?

    Mike, I know it extends from the Roche dieticians buildings (51 or 53)(don't know if Century 21 is directly across from that) east to Cowley. As to Pine, I don't know. Isn't Forest in there? How did West get out?

    Posted Monday Mar 5, 2007 11:33 #
  9. spatny
    Member

    The original map is on the Village web site in fairly large format. Catherine, I emailed you something - please look at it and if it is OK to include your research please let me know so i can submit it today. Make changes you think appropriate.

    Posted Monday Mar 5, 2007 12:00 #
  10. MikeT
    Member

    TIF map (11-22-06)
    http://www.riverside.il.us/vertical/Sites/{42F3B77D-FE50-43B3-96BF-EB06D8EB0A86}/uploads/{4F2027F1-7050-4A17-9832-695B4687021F}.PDF
    or http://tinyurl.com/38ldrx

    Anyone have a link to the cbd map ? I cannot find it on the village web site

    Posted Monday Mar 5, 2007 17:39 #

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