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  1. Kelly
    Member

    The boardwalk proposed by Scott Zimmer seems like just the thing we need to jump start the central business district.

    According to Scott, the concept is to build a waist high brick enclosed seating area that spans from the alley at Aunt Diana’s to the end of the business that is currently not occupied. (I heard a pizza place might move in.)

    There would be seating directly in front of each of the businesses, with a wooden plank boardwalk running through the seating area built over the existing sidewalk. The brick structure would jet out into the street taking the seven parking spots currently in front of the business. The area in front of Salon D’Amore has a bike rack in the current design. The brick wall would have gas lights every 10 feet or so.

    The businesses would absorb the cost over a period of 10 years by paying licensing fees to the Village. Scott saw this idea in Montreal and wanted to re-create it here in Riverside.

    What is the resistance? Has the Economic Development Commission discussed it yet?

    Posted Friday Nov 6, 2009 08:39 #
  2. mrt
    Member

    maybe someone can provide a picture of this (small boardwalks) on this forum. I searched 'montreal boardwalk' on google images and cd not find a picture. I did find out, however, that montreal has replaced boardwalk in the int'l version of monopoloy.

    Posted Friday Nov 6, 2009 10:07 #
  3. ChrisHajer
    Member

    What makes you think there is resistance? I haven't heard from anyone who DIDN'T like this idea, but of course there are more people in town than just those I talk to. I don't know that there is resistance: have you heard some?

    Posted Friday Nov 6, 2009 10:18 #
  4. Kelly
    Member

    Yes a few different business owners told me Trustee Shevitz put the kibosh on the idea, but I'll send him an e-mail and ask him myself.

    Posted Friday Nov 6, 2009 11:01 #
  5. spatny
    Member

    It isn't as simple as "just doing it." It is public property, there are utility easements, etc. And first people howled for more parking and now seem willing to give over seven prime spaces for what? What is the track record for such things? Why not do a trial with some removeable planters as they use in Europe, on Rush Street, elsewhere. See if it works, what the unintended effects are, before getting into lots of dough and construction. How does the food get to the outside areas - through the only entry door? What are the liquor laws applicable. Why not several smaller ones to split the benefits. How much will it cost and who pays?

    I don't know about this Montreal story. When Scott Zimmer was looking to placea few chairs outside before he even opened I suggested to him, and did measurements and a drawing, for a curb meander and seating behind planters on the present sidewalk. This largr version seems to be stretching it out and overbuilding, while confining the benfits to the businesses right there, and only there. What about a smaller one in front of the Chew Chew, and another down where Buddy Dogs is, and maybe one across the street to make the VC more viable. I think this idea as it sits is too long and unnecessary to do right away before seeing how it works. As for business fees paying for it, is that "increased business fees" - because the ones they pay will never do it.

    Posted Friday Nov 6, 2009 13:17 #
  6. Kelly
    Member

    I can't find a picture of it either. Scott drew it for me on a postcard, but it doesn't translate well. Maybe someone from the chamber has the renderings? Or "the one who will not say my name" - do you have a drawing of it?

    Posted Friday Nov 6, 2009 13:18 #
  7. spatny
    Member

    Here's what everyone is thinking of... my old neighborhood Cafe in Vienna - spent thousands of hoyurs there starting way back in 1959.

    http://www.cafe-schwarzenberg.at/de/video.html

    I pulled down a bunch of photos of sidewalk cafes I used to frequent, but don't know how to put pix up here. Maybe you can email me instructions, Chris? Never too old to learn...

    Posted Friday Nov 6, 2009 14:28 #
  8. Kelly
    Member

    Here is the reply from Mark Shevitz:

    I support the concept of a boardwalk on Burlington. I think it would be great for the businesses in that section of the CBD, and nice for residents as well. I think slowing down traffic is a good idea, too. In some ways, it takes advantage of the fact that our CBD is not as heavily trafficked as, say LaGrange.

    There are a few issues that need to get sorted out before we can make an informed decision about how to proceed on this:

    1. How will it be paid for? An SSA for the condo building that the bump-out would be a part of? Should the village taxpayers pay for it? A mix of both? Initial estimates for this have run from $50,000 (Scott Zimmer) to $200,000 (Greg Koch, our Director of Public Works).

    2. Would this bump-out be leased to businesses that want/use it? Given to businesses? Who would carry the liability insurance, especially if alcohol is being served in a public area and waitstaff is walking across a sidewalk to serve patrons?

    3. I believe that Chief Weitzel has expressed concerns about bumping out a seating area into a active roadway, even with speed bumps. Issues around safety would need to be more closely looked at, as well as any related insurance issues that might result from this.

    4. Doug Pollack pointed out that the bump-out would remove seven parking spots from the street, and street parking is significantly more valuable than off-street parking. Doug warned the EDC that he has seen businesses fail because of losing a few spots from in front of their business. The bump-out would eliminate all street parking in front of at least four businesses in our CBD.

    5. If the village does this for the businesses on the 30 block of Burlington, what happens when, say, the Village Center asks the village to do something similar for them? Or other businesses ask the same thing? How do we keep from losing more street parking and incurring more costs to the taxpayers in order to build more bump-outs? How many bump-outs are too many in the CBD?

    6. Is everyone in the CBD for this? For example, is Riverside Foods okay with having a speed bump out in the street in front of the driveway to their parking lot? I don't know - no one has asked them as far as I know. I have heard from one of the condo owners in the 33/36 E. Burlington building (the one that the bump-out is supposed to cover) and they have told me that no one had asked them about their opinion of it.

    7. Are there other things that we would not be able to do in the CBD if we move forward with this bump-out? Would this preclude us from doing other types of upgrades to the Burlington business corridor?

    And there may be other considerations that we need to keep in mind as we work on an answer as to whether to proceed on this or not.

    Again, I think in theory this is a great idea that would enhance the CBD. I love it as an idea. Until we know what it costs, how it will be paid for, how it affects the overall CBD, and even whether it would bring significant incremental business to places like Grumpy's and Chew Chew, I don't think we're in a position to say "yes, let's move ahead with this." I think it's important to ask questions like the ones above before making significant investments of time, money and resources in projects. For too long, I think we've been in the habit of spending first and asking questions later. Peter is working on a process for getting answers to questions like these, and I suspect the Board will be discussing this and other options for enhancing the CBD in the coming weeks.

    So here's my question for you: how do you think that the bump-out should be funded? Let's say that it costs $150,000. What percent should the businesses that are using it pay for building it, and what portion should the village pay? And given the financial situation of the village, how should the village portion be funded?

    Posted Friday Nov 6, 2009 15:16 #
  9. Kelly
    Member

    It seems that Shevitz wants to move forward with the boardwalk. While I agree with many of the points made, I’m afraid he and the board will “what-if” this idea into oblivion.

    The lack of parking seems to be the re-occurring theme and an impediment to progress around here. I don’t mean to keep harping on the Burlington Lots -- I love the green space, but if the lack of parking is holding us back, why not embrace the solution?

    Posted Friday Nov 6, 2009 15:30 #
  10. CuriousResident
    Member

    I like the idea of trying out a "low cost temporary experiment" versus an "all or nothing/built for posterity" approach.

    That way we can learn for sure the impact of it and simply revert it back (at low loss) if the trade offs are deemed not worth it. And if it works out, we can "upgrade" the build level the following year.

    Posted Friday Nov 6, 2009 15:39 #

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