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Caucus - signs of the times?

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  1. nancy
    Member

    Who paid for the blue and white signs lawn signs with the names Smith, Lesniak, Navarro, and Miezio on them?

    It doesn’t say on the sign – but by law it should.

    Was it the “Riverside Party?” Or was it the Caucus? Why doesn’t it say?

    I would think with two attorneys named on the sign at least one of them would have been diligent enough to make sure they were doing things by the book. Or maybe the architect. Or the “financial adviser.” I guess they have no acumen for details. No wonder they don’t want to do a line-by-line audit of the budget – to many details.

    I wonder what they will do about this sign problem now. Do they ask people to keep them up? Do they pull a Phony Tony and blame it on motor-voter? Let’s see…

    Posted Friday Mar 27, 2009 16:17 #
  2. Fred
    Member

    Not to be negative or even partisan, but, I have seen campaign signs all over the place in at least 5 different communities. None of them have a funding citation on them. If this declaration is actually the law could someone provide a citation? As long as we are all involved in discourse, we might as well make sure the issues are "discourse worthy."

    Posted Friday Mar 27, 2009 16:24 #
  3. Catherine
    Member

    Good question. I try not to look at them so I never noticed that. I'm afraid they'll give me nightmares.

    What's the answer to that excellent question?

    I guess we know who voted FOR the tax increase. Can't imagine why else they would have those signs up since that is what they'll be voting on next time if they get what they claim they want. Of course, lawn signs are one thing, voting booth another.

    Posted Friday Mar 27, 2009 16:34 #
  4. JohnM
    Member

    Nancy,

    Do you have a cite to back up your claim that this is required by law?

    Posted Friday Mar 27, 2009 16:37 #
  5. idic5
    Member

    a call to this office+ told me that indeed any party that has filed a D1 (at least $3k) that cites candidate names, needs to put a paid for clause in all of their communications. The Caucus satisfies these criteria. She was as confused as I was when I told her that the candidates were running under some other 'banner' on the ballot called the 'Riverside Party'. Someone else told me that at least some of the RP mailers had this paid for by the Riverside Caucus on it. But the blue signs do not for some reason. Since I brought this up in another post, I was curious.
    + http://www.elections.state.il.us/Contact.aspx

    the lady there directed me to the disclosure law...
    http://www.elections.il.gov/Downloads/CampaignDisclosure/PDF/Rules.pdf

    5/9-9.5. Disclosures in political communications

    (b) Any political committee, organized under this Code, that makes an expenditure for a pamphlet, circular,
    handbill, Internet or telephone communication, radio, television, or print advertisement, or other
    communication directed at voters and (i) mentioning the name of a candidate in the next upcoming
    election, without that candidate’s permission, or (ii) advocating for or against a public policy position
    shall ensure that the name of the political committee paying for any part of the communication, including,
    but not limited to, its preparation and distribution, is identified clearly within the communication

    Posted Friday Mar 27, 2009 17:01 #
  6. JohnM
    Member

    Mike,

    I think the lady gave you the wrong cite. Sec. 5/9-9.5(b) speaks to communications made without the candidates permission. The Caucus and the RP are related, and communications made by the Caucus are made with the RP candidates permission. By way of counterexample, if you decided to form a political committee and were required by state law to comply with the Election Code, you would have to mention that your committee paid for any ads or communications made by your committee on behalf of a candidate without the candidates permission.

    The correct cite is 5/9-9.5(a), which is very similar, but missing the "without that candidate's permission" clause. In relevant part, the law states that:

    5/9-9.5. Disclosures in political communications
    (a) Disclosures in political communications. Any political committee, organized under the Election Code,that makes an expenditure for a pamphlet, circular, handbill, Internet or telephone communication, radio,television, or print advertisement, or other communication directed at voters and mentioning the name of a candidate in the next upcoming election shall ensure that the name of the political committee paying for
    any part of the communication, including, but not limited to, its preparation and distribution, is identified clearly within the communication as the payor.


    I do not believe that this law, however, requires that the name of the entity that paid for a yard sign to be identified on that sign. FIrst off, yard signs are conspicuous by their absence in the communications identified in the law. That's not dispositive in and of itself. However, the communications identified-- pamphlet, circular, handbill, Internet or telephone communication, radio,television, or print advertisement, or other communication directed at voters and mentioning the name of a candidate... are different than yard signs, in that they are distributed to persons without that person asking for them--in other words, they are ads. As Mike pointed out, the mailers sent by the Caucus on behalf of the RP had the disclosure language. On the other hand, in order to obtain a yard sign, one must (at least in theory) ask for one--in other words, take an affirmative step to obtain one. In addition, yard signs are displayed on private property, unlike a flier that goes through the US mail or a handbill distributed on a train platform. I understand that one could argue that a yard sign is "a communication directed at voters" and as such, would be subject to the law. I do not believe this to be the case, as a sign is posted by a private citizen on private property, but I leave open the possibility.

    Please note--I am not an election lawyer. There is undoubtably case law on this topic available, but I have neither the time nor the inclination to seek it out. My opinion is based on my reading of the law, and on the antecdotal evidence that I've gathered by looking at yard signs in surrounding communities.

    Posted Saturday Mar 28, 2009 12:22 #

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