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Damnation!

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  1. spatny
    Member

    Black November. Last week they started clearing and cutting trees. Today the trucks and bulldozer and roller arrived and started digging up Swan Pond Park for the access road for the removal of the Little Dam (Fairbank Dam.) Just about fourteen months after the Army Corps awarded the contract for this project, the earth is being scraped away, a gravel road laid and rolled, a fence put up, and then.....What? They did this months ago at the Armitage Dam and the only meaningful thing that has happened there is that they have a new project manager. Remember, this is the dam they claimed was in Lyons, and our Village published the notice as such. This deal has been a fraud from its very inception.

    No Demolition Permit has been issued, and neither the Building Department, the Director of Public Works, the Village Manager or the Trustees has ever seen the executed contract between the Army Corps and the Contractor, just as I predicted in September, 2010. Once the Board gave away the easements before the plan was finished they lost any control they might have had, and now the Corps and Contractor are digging up the park before anyone - Board, Commissions, Department Heads, anyone has seen the detailed and final plan or contract , which is, after all, the only document that accurately spells out what will be done.

    Here's a project that President Gorman has called "the most important one we may ever see here" and our Village government has never seen the final contract. What a way to run a railroad....

    Today I saw several people down there shaking their heads, a woman crying. Questions of "Why would they do this?" Why indeed?November 14th, 2011. Remember this date...

    Posted Monday Nov 14, 2011 21:07 #
  2. anonymous
    Member

    spatny, this is terrible. I'll have to go down there to see for myself.

    It amazes me that all of the tree huggers in town are good with cutting down trees. Why at Swan Pond and not on your own property? I don't get it.

    If I want to do anything on my house, I need permit after permit and the village is all over it. Why not on this project? Oh yeah. It's the government and they are here to help.

    Posted Tuesday Nov 15, 2011 00:02 #
  3. chrisrobling
    Member

    Most likely futile appeal for reason:

    i am wading into this water project once.

    there is a highly elaborated plan. it addresses myriad issues of the corps, illinois dnr, and riverside.

    it is a public doc, and everyone should go see it on the web or wherever, it is no secret.

    people may not like it -- and that's terrific -- but i think an elemental standard here ought to be that we appreciate what has beeen done in good faith, and work from there.

    i can say this because i had zero to do with making this plan. rather, i investigated after reading inflammatory and, as it turned out, false characterizations here.

    upon doing so, i learned that the village, corps, dnr and congressional and general assembly delegations had worked together to shape the project into a major benefit and a contributing element to riverside.

    obviously, some among us will not take 'yes,' 'no' or even 'maybe' for an answer. it is their right, and we just honored the veterans and heros who sacrificed to preserve their right to pick, choose and distort as they will.

    but those sacrifices also preserved our right to learn the plan and describe it for what it is, especially when the nattering nabobs seek to sow negativism over all.

    cheers,
    c

    Posted Tuesday Nov 15, 2011 08:28 #
  4. spatny
    Member

    As usual Chris you spout before you know. The documents that are online are not the contracxt as signed. In fact, many features of the Swan Pond/Hofmann plan are yet to be decided. You know this because you were instrumental in getting the ploiticians to become involved at the last meeting, which was good. But the documents that the Village, the Commissions and the Olmsted Society have seen are not the contracted "latest and greatest". Only that contract defines what the contractor must do, what he will get poaid for doing it, etc. And even though these efforts will take place on public land in a Registered National Historic Landscape District the Village does not have a copy of it, or any of the change orders that have been or will be put forth. I have asked the Village to secure both contracts, as signed, and any/all change orders as they are issued so that those who are interested may know just what is scheduled to be done, when, and in what manner. Why shouldn't we know this? It's a public project paid for with public money and on public land.

    There have been a lot of errors in this deal. The Corps and IDNR put the notice and solicitation for the Fairbanl/Armitage phase on the Village website and stated that Fairbank Dam was in Lyons, when we know full well that since the Riverside Historical District extends to the South Bank it is completely within Riverside. The Commissions that concurred in this project and those that didn't have never seen the finished plan because it is still not finished. Fourteen months ago I warned about the effects this removal will have at low water flows and was ignored, derided and worse - but at the last open meeting the Corps admitted the river may narrow at these times - typically summer months - by as much as 105 ft. along Bloomingbank. They have no plan or obligation to remedy any thing they cause above or below their work limits, which don't even extend as far as the Indian Gardens tennis courts upriver.

    The Trustees, Admin, you or me - none of us have seen the finished contract that defines exactly where and how and what will be removed, how it will be done, what the haul routes will be, what trees exactly will be cut, what the material used in the path will be or exactly where it will meander, etc. None of that has ever been seen, and so no commission has ever passed on what will actually take place. You canwax poetic and have an orgasm over meetings with politicians who certainly know none of these details, but I want to see, read, understand and question the actual documents that state explicitly how our 184 year heritage of dams here in Riverside will be ended.

    Chris, don't mislead the people who haven't delved into this with your pompous verbiage. As for good faith, the Corps and IDNR walked in more than a decade ago with a plan to remove or notch the dams, and while there have been endless meetings and myriad teams of engineers and experts involved and then removed, there STILL is no 100% finished plan and contract that anyone here has seen. If I hadn't bitched and moaned and written letters and called them constantly they nvr would have scheduled the dam removal from the south bank and we would have had that mess up on Fairbank Road. Nobody else came around again and again and hammered at them to do that. If anything false has been written here you are the one that wrote it.

    Posted Tuesday Nov 15, 2011 08:56 #
  5. mrt
    Member

    it is a public doc, and everyone should go see it on the web or wherever, it is no secret.

    --link, please.

    and, we learn something new everyday...

    spatny was spiro'd

    http://www.answers.com/topic/nattering-nabobs-of-negativism

    Posted Tuesday Nov 15, 2011 12:04 #
  6. chrisrobling
    Member

    mike -- it was safire, buchanan or gavin, not spiro. probably buchanan. in any case, i put it w 'sowing the seeds', so you can throw in roland orzabal and curt smith, too, although the phrase is ancient. cheers, c

    Posted Tuesday Nov 15, 2011 13:51 #
  7. spatny
    Member

    Well we all know what happened to Spiro. Among his crimes and misdemeanors was taking a frozen turkey as a bribe. He was a turkey, along with John Mitchell - Nixon's Attorney General and then head of Creep - the country's highest law enforcement officer, who went to Atlanta. - the prison, not the city.

    In building anything - the devil is in the details, and the only details that count are in the contract, not the plan. BTW, I checked with all and as of yesterday, there is no demolition permit issued for this work. Go out in your yard and start digging and see how long it takes before somebody shows up to ask if you have a permit. These guys put in an access road and fenced it months ago up at Armitage and no work has yet been done. The plans call for the contractor, when he starts, to ascertain how much sediment there is behind the dams and then decide how to remove it. This is very important, because when the water goes down there will be large areas of exposed former riverbed, and that sediment is very fine - akin to talcum powder - and when it dries it will blow around. It's not the same as what is on the higher banks.

    We should all insist on the highest quality job possible - this is Riverside, not Westchester. In the only plan the commissions ever saw and concurred with there was all kinds of things that have since been changed and deleted. There were pages of analysis of earlier sediment samples and they were rife with heavy metals, etc. There was a paragraph that stated that they would be removing 15% of the sediment behind Hofmann - 3000 cubic yards - 300 truckloads - and then as per EPA requirements covering almost nine acres of land with "9" of clean fill." What happened to that? What happened to the many boulders that were to be placed in the river between Hofmann and the Swan Pond to create riffles? What are they going to do to the "new" river banks between Fairbank and Hofmann? Who knows for sure what the contract calls for?

    Why are people so happy to accept "something" when they don't know for sure? Is it wrong to want to know exactly what is going to take place before they start destroying what we have, a lovely scenic feature that is no cost to us and looks to be able to continue just as it does now for another hundred years? We know what we have. We should know exactly what we are getting before they begin.

    Posted Tuesday Nov 15, 2011 14:55 #
  8. TS
    Member

    What sort of elitist statement is that, "this is Riverside, not Westchester". Taking speaking lessons from Karen Lewis?

    Posted Tuesday Nov 15, 2011 15:12 #
  9. uncle jack
    Member

    Why are people so happy to accept "something" when they don't know for sure? Is it wrong to want to know exactly what is going to take place before they start destroying what we have, a lovely scenic feature that is no cost to us and looks to be able to continue just as it does now for another hundred years? We know what we have. We should know exactly what we are getting before they begin.

    I wonder if they were saying the same thing when Olmsted first starting developing Riverside? If we're not careful, we'll get trapped by our past - but then again, Roubini says we're all doomed.

    Posted Tuesday Nov 15, 2011 15:44 #
  10. chrisrobling
    Member

    Roubini's consulting firm is losing money and on the block. Who is that guy, anyway? Check it out...

    Posted Tuesday Nov 15, 2011 16:51 #

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