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FOIA - How much have we spent?

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  • Started 4 years ago by spatny
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  1. spatny
    Member

    I emailed this to the Village Manager and all the trustees and asked that it be put on the agenda for the COW april 3, 2007. If you believe in the public's right to know what is done with the public money then you should be there to see what they do.

    March 23, 2007

    Freedom of Information

    An Open Letter to The Riverside Trustees:

    As a concerned resident of Riverside I have been trying for some time to obtain from the Village Manager a summary of the costs the Village has paid to date and is continuing  to incur  for three projects:  The B2 Zoning Code for the Central Business District, the TOD Study,  and the TIF District Redevelopment Plan and Project.  I  and many others believe it is in the public's best interest that we know how much we paid, what we got for our money, and how much more we are likely to be billed. 

    In this quest I have been given a number of excuses and denials for what, we feel, should be public information.  When I am told that the Village does not keep accounts so that these numbers are available, or given incomplete documentation, or denied outright access to these numbers,  I am left with no other option but to think that either the Village has no fiscal control of its funds or that the Village Manager, for some unknown reason, does not want the public to know this information.

    Both are unacceptable.  If, the first time I filed an FOIA request we had been supplied with just six numbers, we would have a better understanding of just how our tax dollars are  being spent.  I hope that Trustee Scully or some other trustee will join in requesting that this information be made public.  We need to know how much was paid to each of the three lead consultants for these projects (Camiros for the B2,  URS for the TOD, and Kane McKenna for the TIF) and we need to know how much, in total, has been spent on each of these projects to date, including all legal and engineering fees.  Only in that way will we know where our money is going and what choices are being made about how it is spent.

    At the last Board meting Trustee Shields introduced a series of Resolutions that would award an  "additional $15,000, $45,000, $115,000 or another amount  to Kane McKenna and Associates for "Out-of-Scope work performed for TIF study."  Thankfully the Board voted to pay only eleven thousand and change, and not $45,000 as the Village Manager wanted.  Nevertheless, we still feel that we should know AND YOU SHOULD KNOW what these projects really cost.  This information should be released expeditiously and certainly in time to inform the village residents before the coming election. I also request that this item be put on the Agenda and discussed openly at the COW Board meeting slated for April 3, 2007. Thank you.

    Sincerely,

    Donald Spatny

    Posted Friday Mar 23, 2007 11:50 #
  2. MikeT
    Member

    WOW.

    THIS IS THE BIG ONE.

    JUST SHOW US THE MONEY !

    The lack of responsiveness and transparency by the Village on this question - BEFORE we even have the TIF ! - is precisely one of the biggest, if not THE BIGGEST, problems of the TIF proposal. The itemization of our money income and outgo should be on the web site, just a click away. We should not have to beg, cajole and pay through the nose to get such public information.

    Even the tif moderates (tif ok if subject to an agreed plan, for example) have grave misgivings about the judgment of the people involved with and who would be administering the tif, and the lack of a clear accounting of the TIF monies.

    IF...
    If you can stomach the risk to the schools and to the other impacted public taxing bodies - which can likely lead to tax increases-, if you can accept the insinuation of government into the private lives of private property owners to an abnormal degree, which can cause harm and suffering to those people, and indirectly, therefore, to the village in general, if you can suffer the addition of high density housing and car congestion in this small gem of a town, forever changing its character, if you have no problem in going forward with a plan that is more oriented to Metra than to Riverside,

    if you can accept all of these things,

    I believe you will have significant trouble accepting the lack of transparency and responsiveness that this Village administration has shown, and is showing, in not disclosing to the public the costs associated with the cbd revitalization initiative of the last few years in a timely manner (before the April Election). You will not have a good feeling about the management and disbursement of the TIF monies over the 23 years that the TIF will reign (at least 23 years; it could be renewed).

    You will be singing

    WHERE HAS ALL THE MONEY GONE?

    .

    also,

    Spatny, I notice that you did not specify the burke guy - the guy who did the july 06 infrastructure study. also, I notice that bausch loiza (sp) studio is not named. I saw that name all over the TOD. Or are they a part of one of the consultants you mentioned? I also recall the president mentioning a parking study - I am not sure if that was the parking study that was found to not be eligible for funds. There was some sort of reference to a parking engineer in one of the Village board meetings.

    I think I read or heard somewhere that the Village manager need not report or request monies for expenditures less than $10,000. If this is not true, someone can clarify this. If it is true, maybe that is where Burke and the parking engineer monies went?

    .

    another observation -

    At the last board meeting, Mr Shields chastised the Board for 'micro managing' the cbd development with their desire to keep some fiscal control over the tif. Does that phrasing sound familiar to what a certain leader of the free world has said recently on congress's attempt to hold tight on the money to the mideast war? There is an analogy here: going into a place that is not in our best interests, without a plan, with known significant risk factors present, and with vague or no exit or success criteria.

    sort of like the I-TIF
    http://www.riversideinfo.org/forum/topic.php?id=254&replies=18#post-3961

    Posted Friday Mar 23, 2007 20:01 #
  3. Catherine
    Member

    Why is it so hard to find out what they are doing with our money? I cannot believe that are not keeping track with the huge amount of village payroll that goes to the Finance Department.

    We want to know what you are doing with our money, and we have the right to know. It should not require a FOIA request in the first place. This is not a fiefdom. It is a village in a democratic republic. Maybe the words "trustees" and "manager" do not accurately convey this reality to the minds of those occupying these positions.

    I was told that every line item in the budgets, which I am told are on file at the library, had fuller explanations at documents freely available at village hall. Apparently this is not so. Finance should issue a detailed annual report for anyone who cares to order a copy.

    Posted Saturday Mar 24, 2007 10:34 #
  4. spatny
    Member

    If anyone can understand why the Board will not produce these numbers and let us know whatn has been spent please let me know.
    March 26, 2007

    Ms. Kathleen F. Rush
    Village Manager
    27 Riverside Road
    Riverside, IL 60546

    Dear Ms. Rush:

    I am in receipt of your response, dated March 20, 2007, to my FOIA request dated 3/17/07. I find it completely unacceptable and obstructionist. I have requested public records on behalf of Riverside's residents and voters - nothing more. We simply want to know how and how much of our tax dollars have been spent in the quest for downtown redevelopment, and we want to know it before the April 17th election.

    Illinois Freedom of Information Act

    “—¦it is declared to be the public policy of the State of Illinois that all persons are entitled to full and complete information regarding the affairs of government [—¦] Such access is necessary to enable the people to fulfill their duties of discussing public issues fully and freely, making informed political judgments and monitoring government to ensure that it is being conducted in the public interest.— (5 ILCS 140/1)
    Illinois' Freedom of Information Act is intended to open the government to all citizens by guaranteeing access to governmental records in whatever form they are maintained.—

    As you know, I originally filed an FOIA request on March 5th, 2007, which asked for the Village to provide the total amounts spent to date on just three projects: The B2 Zoning Code, The Transit-Oriented Development Study, and this current TIF project. The answer I received to that request was only partial, providing copies of some bills paid for the TOD and TIF, and none at all for the B2 Zoning project.

    When I exchanged e-mails with the Village Finance Director I asked for totals of the amount paid to each of the lead consultants and a total (close approximation) spent on each of these projects. Mr. Wachtel answered saying:

    Page Two

    —˜Our accounting system does not track project A or task B with all
    associated charges associated with it. Rather, we track office
    supplies, for example, by department or other operational group.
    So the quick answer is no, we can't look at a single number/account in our
    General Ledger to get the information you seek. When we have a
    contract with a consultant, we certainly do track what has been paid
    toward that contract so we can ensure the contract terms are met.
    When a significant effort is undertaken, there may be several vendors
    paid from accounts ranging from professional services, legal
    services, office supplies, etc. which further complicates this task. It is not
    best practices to account for short term projects (like B-2
    zoning) in a separate department or account as there would be no way to evaluate expenditures from year to year.

    Frankly I found that answer highly suspect, as it seems to me that any entity, public or private. should keep a record of where and for what it spent its money, especially a Village that is using public taxpayer dollars.

    I then tried, in an exchange of e-mails with Mr. Wachtel, to simplify my request by asking only for the amounts paid to the lead consultants for each of these projects. Again, this information has not been provided.

    Since I assumed that these numbers would be easily found on 1099s issued to these firms, and that all these payments would already have been approved by the Board in one way or another, and hence would already be public information, I filed my second FOIA request on March 17th, to which Mr. Wachtel replied:

    “I cannot provide you tax documents as there is an exemption due to
    privacy reasons (see excerpt below).

    (b) Information that, if disclosed, would constitute a clearly
    unwarranted invasion of personal privacy, unless the disclosure is
    consented to in writing by the individual subjects of the information.
    The disclosure of information that bears on the public duties of
    public employees and officials shall not be considered an invasion of
    personal privacy. Information exempted under this subsection (b) shall
    include but is not limited to:

    (iv) information required of any taxpayer in connection with
    the assessment or collection of any tax unless disclosure is otherwise
    required by State statute;

    Page Three

    However, we can provide you with free copies of the Treasurer's Report for 2003, 2004 and 2005 as those have been published in the newspaper.
    We have not published the 2006 Treasurer's Report as that is completed
    in conjunction with our annual audit, and will be published in June.
    The 2007 Treasurer's Report will be prepared in June, 2008.

    Further requests will require additional FOIA forms.—

    I question this decision because, after all, these were public funds paid for services contracted with the Village. Presumably payments were all approved by the Board and therefore releasing this information to the residents could hardly be deemed “an invasion of privacy.—

    I, and many, many other residents of the Village believe this information must be made public. Since I am requesting this information in the interest of all Village residents I request a waiver of all fees for this request. Disclosure of the requested information is in the public interest because it is likely to contribute significantly to public understanding of the operations or activities of the Village government.

    Since you have so far refused this request I yesterday sent an Open Letter to the Trustees asking at least one of them to request this information on behalf of the public and for this issue to be agendized and discussed at the Village Board COW meeting scheduled for April 3. I hereby formally request you to put this item on that agenda.

    We have an election coming on April 17th. Before the voters go to the polls they have the right to know how much this thrust for redevelopment has cost and who has been paid what. Voters, when faced with an advisory referendum for your $20 million TIF, need to know that it not only allows for up to $1.5 million (7%) in fees for legal, engineering and consultants, but how much of that figure has already been paid.

    If the Trustees fail to request, receive and supply the public with these numbers I will have no alternative but to seek help from the Illinois Attorney General's Public Access Counselor., Terry Mutchler. I do not wish you to provide me with another copy of the incomplete records you already have.

    Sincerely,

    Donald Spatny

    Posted Monday Mar 26, 2007 20:09 #
  5. MikeT
    Member

    If the town votes for the TIF, question #1, YES, this is the kind of future you can expect - unresponsiveness from the Village on the WHENs and the HOW MUCHs and the WHYs....and we'll get a congested mess of a center of town... and a probable indirect tax increase as a result.

    Therefore, Vote No for question 1 on the april 17 ballot.

    and please make sure all your acquantances and friends also vote on April 17. Tell them it is for a very important thing.

    Posted Tuesday Mar 27, 2007 00:27 #
  6. Catherine
    Member

    What level of detail is in the Treasurer's Report?

    Can they provide line item detail from the treasurer's report or the budget, whatever, to what has been paid to Firm A in 2005, and so on, whichever firms and years we want to know about. We would be obliged to deduce from that that the monies were spent on B2, TIF, etc. For example, we know money paid to KaneMcKenna is for TIF. IF THEY DO NOT TRACK IT BY PROJECT, THEY MUST TRACK IT BY FIRM. Also, the particular matter for a firm would be on their billing detail. Only the legal bills would be privileged.

    I DON'T WANT TO BE TOLD WE CANNOT KNOW THIS. IT is absolute bulls***! They should not be waiting for you to divine the correct phrasing in order to get the information.

    Well, this is what the property tax cap is for: stopping mad and irresponsible spending that is not under the public control. Then they wonder why it is there.

    I hope you are letting the LANDMARK know that we cannot get this simple information from the government of how our tax dollars are spent.

    Posted Tuesday Mar 27, 2007 10:05 #
  7. MikeT
    Member

    What is incredible in this case is that this is supposed to be the courtship time when the Village is putting its best foot forward on the TIF.

    The Village, theoretically, is courting public opinion on the TIF before the wedding night; I mean, the TIF vote. You all know what will happen to us on the wedding night.

    If this is the Village's BEST BEHAVIOR, can you all imagine what the Village's behavior might be like after we are married to the TIF during this 23 year period?

    It seems like an abusive relationship.

    Continuing the metaphor, if this were the Pre-Cana assessment time (I come from the Catholic context), I think the priest would nix the pending marriage.

    Posted Tuesday Mar 27, 2007 11:39 #
  8. Catherine
    Member

    They don't care what we think, any more than the Vatican does. (NB this is not the job of the latter.)

    Posted Tuesday Mar 27, 2007 12:33 #
  9. MikeT
    Member

    Continuing the religious metaphor...

    Have faith, my child.

    ...To give the devil its due...

    they DID do a pause on the TIF. Unless the pause was all an elaborate hoax or orchestration of appearances, there is hope that they can, and will, listen to the public. I am not sure about this lack of response on the money. I trust it will come out, and hopefully there is a complete accounting.

    If there is anyone here who is against this alliance of the Village of Riverside and the establishment of a TIF district, let them come forth and say so now...

    ...and on April 17.

    Posted Tuesday Mar 27, 2007 13:29 #
  10. Catherine
    Member

    They said the pause was to "educate" the populace. I remarked to them that I hoped they considered that they could be "educated" by us as well. As all remarks I have heard from them have been hostile or neutral, I presume the latter has not yet occurred. As to us, most of the people subjected to the educating workshops voted against the TIF.

    Posted Tuesday Mar 27, 2007 13:34 #

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