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If not TIF, how are we going to pay?

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  • Started 5 years ago by ChrisHajer
  • Latest reply from Catherine
  1. ChrisHajer
    Member

    A lot of the discussions here seem to point to the need for at least some improvements/development in the CBD, even though there's no consensus on what those improvements and development should be. I think the planning is a separate issue from the financing right now.

    But, for those who want to see change, how are we going to pay for the change? I think the village had good intentions when they pursued a possible TIF district: they are trying to pay for the changes that residents seem to be asking for. If not a TIF, where is the money going to come from?

    Posted Friday Dec 15, 2006 09:50 #
  2. Catherine
    Member

    Good question, but it occurs to me: exactly what would we have to pay for? We could have ordinances about the look of the CBD. I can see a modest cost in linking the parking areas together in a better way. Perhaps the cost has to do with who the CBD is being planned for. I can think of a lot of businesses I would patronize that might not be of interest to tourists. But I am sure I am missing something. What do you think?

    If you look at the village budget, there are copious fees being paid to consultants and lawyers. We have a budget deficit. I know the government has undertaken cost cutting measures, but I wonder whether a close look at the budget would not yield opportunities for more cuts. I don't mean to sound like Scrooge, but the village government is still offering pensions to new hires. Few in the private sector get that anymore. They are currently hiring a receptionist at a pay rate that most receptionists not downtown would be envious of. Is anyone here very familiar with the budget?

    Also, the Village government could do a better job of explaining the options to citizens. Whenever I go to vote on referenda, I have not heard about most of them.

    Posted Friday Dec 15, 2006 10:46 #
  3. Catherine
    Member

    I have asked corbi386 in another string what it is we need money for and whether we had cut all the fat from the budget. He advised we need money for everything (e.g. infrastructure) and was of the opinion that the budget is fat free, save offering pensions to new employees.

    Does anyone disagree about the budget or that we need money for infrastructure improvements? Will the increased property tax revenues from new condos cover it in your view (I'm guessing not.)

    I think if we are to be considered responsible and not merely obstructionists, we will have to answer these questions.

    Posted Wednesday Dec 20, 2006 09:03 #
  4. corbi328
    Member

    I hope everybody agrees that our infrastructure needs more regular maintenance and improvement. Riverside is a very old town and our infrastructure is as well. Unfortunately, we are paying for past decisions to defer needed maintenance. Ironically, those decisions were deferred because previous boards did not want to tackle the tougher question of how to pay for the maintenance. This board has decided that the buck stops here and has identified the TIF as an alternative to a real estate tax increase via referendum approval. That is the trade off we face here, successfully implement the TIF and generate increased revenue this way or face significantly higher tax bills, which might have the result of making Riverside unaffordable for many current residents. That is the irony as I see it, many have complained that the TIF MIGHT result in a handful of people being approached about selling their house, but the reality is that many more people might have to leave Riverside because they can't afford the real estate tax bill that might result if we do not pursue the TIF. This is not a scare tactic, it is a reality.

    As far as the infrastructure and village service improvements that need to be addressed, the list is long but let me try to give you some examples. Water and Sewer line replacements, road replacement and repair, sidewalk replacement and repair, landscaping maintenance (I'd love to see our parks be free of weeds like parks in Western Springs and La Grange), preventative tree care and new tree planting, river wall maintenance and repair, tunnel construction, and recreational park repair/maintenance, not to mention a decline in the rate of increase of our water rate fees, rec department fees etc... These are all worthy projects that cannot be funded as they should under the current revenue structure in the Village.

    Posted Wednesday Dec 20, 2006 09:43 #
  5. Catherine
    Member

    Thanks for that Corbi. Do you have any comments about the 2007 budget off the top of your head?

    This does not affect me as I am in the TIF district, but what do you make of evidence out there that TIFs do result in higher property taxes for areas outside the TIF district? I cited one such report in another string.

    Posted Wednesday Dec 20, 2006 09:56 #
  6. corbi328
    Member

    Can you please point me to that report. I try to read everything posted but sometime just don't have the time to look at all of it.

    Posted Wednesday Dec 20, 2006 10:42 #
  7. Catherine
    Member

    Shoot, it was on the Village website, but now I see it has been taken down. I suppose this is because it is not longer proposed but was approved the other night. I should have downloaded it.

    Also, Corbi, I don't imagine everyone does agree about the need for infrastructure improvements. If they did, they would be contemplating ways to pay for them. So perhaps that is an education opportunity. I can readily see your point about the trees.

    Posted Wednesday Dec 20, 2006 10:57 #
  8. Catherine
    Member

    Corbi, I am asking the village manager for e-copy of the budget, although I assumed you were familiar with it.

    Now speaking of infrastructure, I see in the 11/22/06 TIF/RDA Plan, $8million of the $20 million seems to be slated for infrastructure improvements. I must say that to me, the other $12 million seems like costs required to get that $8 million. Perhaps you can clarify that for me. See pp 11,12 and 17.

    Posted Wednesday Dec 20, 2006 17:49 #
  9. Catherine
    Member

    Corbi, here is the link to the 2007 Village Budget. I would appreciate your and anyone's comments on it.

    http://tinyurl.com/ygptys

    edit: link fixed by admin, still points to the Village website.

    Posted Thursday Dec 21, 2006 14:59 #
  10. corbi328
    Member

    Catherine, I was interested in the report which indicated that TIF's result in higher property taxes for property owners outside of the TIF district. What was your question regarding the Village's 2007 budget?

    Posted Thursday Dec 21, 2006 15:09 #

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