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Landmark Letter to the Editor, "Move forward TIF" 5/2/07

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  1. Tim
    Member

    TJS:

    "Here is my objection to the TIF, I hope you can understand it: I DO NOT WANT OUR TAX DOLLARS GIVEN TO WEALTHY DEVELOPERS AS HANDOUTS."

    Exactly!

    There are several alternatives out there, such as the Class L program, which, unlike the TIF, rewards historically sensitive restoration and maintains high quality by only allowing developers which adhere to the strict standards of the Department of the Interior to qualify.

    I agree that no Developer deserves a Handout...but, redevelopment that stays in-line with the Historic character of Riverside and holds the Developer accountable to the same would certainly garner my support...and if it be through a tax-program like the Class L...with its built in protections against abuse...I would strongly consider such a program as an alternative.

    Posted Thursday May 3, 2007 17:15 #
  2. MikeT
    Member

    I wrote the above after some detail of misinformation was finally put forward (thankyou ericsundstrom):

    The intimation that the village was definitely going to ED Tim Tomecek's home when in fact, BUYING his home was only one of three possibilities for a POSSIBLE parking garage.I think the parking garage is a non issue now if I heard correctly.

    Any intimation of an association with this tif and eminent domain is well grounded. Here are some reasons...

    As owner of one of the properties listed in the public newspaper to be (bought, acquired, displaced and demolished) by the Village, I have asked and have demanded offline, through a letter in November 2006, through a petition signed by a bunch of other neighbors, and during village board meetings, to be removed from the tif district, or at least to be removed from the eminent domain list called the Housing impact study.

    Each time we were ignored or rebuffed. Good reason, therefore, to fear, and to charge, that this tif would enable eminent domain.

    There were also numerous requests during public meetings to write no Eminent Domain on tif properties with tif funds. Each time they said No, that they themselves would not do it, but, they did not want to tie future board's hands. A new board takes place in a couple more weeks. Good reason to fear, and to charge, that this tif would enable eminent domain.

    We also heard in the last workshop that the tif consultant, Mr McKenna, advised the Board not to proscribe eminent domain in the tif - takes away the flexibility of the tool. Another good reason to fear, and to charge, that this tif would enable eminent domain.

    If something is not explicitly excluded, and it is possible to be performed, then it is something to fear or to imagine its occurrence. That is what written contracts and laws and our whole society is founded on.

    If ED it is not explicitly proscribed within the tif, then it is a reasonable thing to fear.

    The tif document plainly declares that the redevelopment of the properties contained in the tif district is a public good. That paragrapgh (pg 3 in the tif document) is esssential to provide the legal basis to do eminent domain, or similarly, to USE eminent domain, or the threat of eminent domain, to coercively acquire properties. The satisfaction of a public good is required. The Village does not have an absolute right to exercise eminent domain. This TIF provides the legal cover for its use. Another good reason to fear, and to charge, that this tif would enable eminent domain.

    Most recently, on 4-14, they deliberated and affirmed that our property should be in the TIF district and did not even respond to our minimal request to be removed from the impact ED section. There was no input allowed in that meeting. Another good reason to fear, and to charge, that this tif would enable eminent domain.

    I have reiterated that 11/2006 request again after the 4-14 meeting and have not recvd an answer. During the 4-14 meeting, they DID address Eminent domain in the TIF and they said EXPLICITLY that they would not proscribe it in the TIF. They considered making a resoultion prohibiting it, but a trustee, quite correctly, countered that this would be toothless and it could be rolled back. Another good reason to fear, and to charge, that this tif would enable eminent domain.

    A week later, I read from the landmark reporter (I was there, but apparently missed it), that there was a spec to not use tif funds for a free standing parking garage w/ tif funds. However, a week previously one of the reasons given to retain our property in the tif was that they want to keep that property available in case the VC needs parking. Coupled with the property being on the eminent domain list, one can reasonable cry foul. And they will keep hearing it.

    HEre is a preview of the formal request again:

    However, to our home, and to our family living there, this TIF plan DOES cause financial harm and significant personal distress. Therefore, we respectfully request the following changes be made immediately to your proposed TIF plan:

    1) Please remove our property, 56 Pine, from the Housing Impact Section of the proposed TIF document;

    2) Please add a certification, or swearing, that such coercive property acquisition methods as Eminent Domain or Quick Take would not be used on properties in the TIF District with TIF funds. At a minimum, there should be such proscription on residential properties.

    Posted Thursday May 3, 2007 17:17 #
  3. spatny
    Member

    Eric - do you think that publicly listing Mike's house stigmatizes it and his chances of selling it for the max? Would you buy such a property. I think, based on his experience with two appraisals, that he has a legal case against them for damaging his property's value in the marketplace. Mike makes it to easy for him. I'd get some legal shark and sue the bastards. And, I think, so would you.

    Posted Thursday May 3, 2007 20:32 #
  4. MikeT
    Member

    Placing a property in the paper on a list to be taken by the Village, can damage a property's salability by its uncertain nature and, therefore, its value is reduced. The number of buyers would be reduced significantly, probably to one buyer, the Village. For any other buyers, there would be a significant reduction in value. This is the state of affairs before any specific acquisition action might actually take place.

    This is common sense.

    And in this way this tif is noxious to our property even in the tif's proposed state.

    This common sense was borne out during this episode in these two ways:

    1) a condo two doors from me that was in the housing impact list lost a buyer when the buyer found out about the Impact List. This is EXACLTY the same dymamic that common sense tells one. It impinges on the sale as a free market transaction.

    2) out of curiousity, I had two realtor assessments from out of town realtors. One knew about the Village's plans, the other did not. The realtor who knew about the plans gave a significantly less assessment than the one who did not know about the status.

    So beyond the event of the bulldozer in the front yard - that everyone conjures up - there is a significant reduction of property value during the course of the home's life.

    So this tif causes financial injury to my property, and it does so in an unfair and discriminatory manner. The injury is not equally shared by all Riverside tax payers. This is why this is so much more than just another economic initiative to our family compared to others in town. Others can get tired of this, and can go away from it, for it is really just disagreements in priorities and how the town might look, like disagreements over 'religion anbd politics'.

    I also notice the statement above mentioned

    The intimation that the village was definitely going to ED

    The fact that it MAY be displaced creates uncertainty, instability, unpredictability - not things that any sane buyer would seek in a home.

    I have not mentioned the personal stress but it is there. They say that an eskimo has 100 words for snow. A person in the Riverside TIF district, especially one in the Housing Impact Section, has 100 words for stress.

    Stress of speaking out, especially in those public forums, of saying way too much, of not saying enough, of not saying anything, stress of the tif co-opting and disordering your life, stress of the decision to put on a $20k roof or let it rot the house before your eyes since you do not know the home's disposition, and whether you can get every dollar back that you put in, stress of the loss of control over the asset which was to finance the three kids' college, stress of doing nothing and then knowing the stuff will be done unto us, stress of the financial strain to hire a legal advocate, the stress of constantly having to fight, the stress of having to watch every single thing in this whole nefarious operation, else you'll lose out even more etc. recall that the I did not even know how to spell the TDO study where the conception of this monster took place. You doze, you get 'dozed. NSFs, accidents, six month queue of family and home things, missed recitals such as my 5th grader doing a violin recital at Central school; did you know that was her last year at Central? missing that recital is worth more than the VC 's weight in gold,

    I take my freedom seriously.

    Posted Thursday May 3, 2007 21:58 #
  5. BigYellowTaxi
    Member

    TJS.."Here is my objection to the TIF, I hope you can understand it: I DO NOT WANT OUR TAX DOLLARS GIVEN TO WEALTHY DEVELOPERS AS HANDOUTS."

    Tim..."Exactly!"

    NO DEVELOPER CANDY

    A TIF is merely developer candy. Clearly we do not "need to" attract developers, and yes, there are clearly many residents/taxpayers/voters who DO NOT "WANT TO" attract developers to Riverside.

    This board's thumbing its nose at a huge majority of residents/taxpayers/voters is sure going to wreck the ole' caucus system even though it may take a couple election cycles. In the future you can count on very legitimate doubts cast at our local caucus "politicians" and contentious partisan focused campaigns.

    Village Trustees, you appear to be hellbent on destroying all trust, confidence and respect for you. I really dont care about your personal reputation with your neighbors and fellow residents so much as I care about this quaint residential (Q:Why are we all here anyway? A: Residential, residential, residential... not because it's a shopping or entertainment mecca! HELLO!!!)treasure of a community that you are trying to loot for the sake of building a legacy to your administration. I suspect you must envision the day you can look back and say, "See what we got done under my watch?". Well I'm going to be reminiscing about those days you were in office too- and I'll continue to curse your thumbing your nose at Riverside and its residents, and the ohmygod sized developments you fostered and the TIF developer candy you spread about this formerly quaint formerly residential formerly Mayberry'esque community.

    *****************
    I said don't it always seem to go,
    That you don't know what you've got
    Till it's gone—”
    They paved paradise
    And put up a parking lot!

    They paved paradise
    And put up a parking lot . . .

    They paved paradise
    And put up a parking lot.
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    Big Yello Taxi
    Artist: Joni Mitchell

    Posted Thursday May 3, 2007 22:48 #
  6. Catherine
    Member

    If little or no development is wanted, not just in the CBD but in the TIF area, let the Village Board reduce to writing exactly what is wanted. I think they are starting to eliminate items that residents clearly do NOT want.

    The flyer did not say they would, but of course the board wants to give TIF money to the Arcade. Some board members were already disparaging Class L at their last meeting because they are afraid they will lose any increase in the EAV, showing that preservation is not the primary concern of all board members.

    Mike Tomecek's house is on a hit list for eminent domain. Don't lie. Show me a government that has paid market price in "acquisition" and I will show you a pink elephant. Involuntary acquisition IS eminent domain. Now they want to put a ground level parking lot there. How amusing that the village does not want ATT to have eminent domain and are fighting against a certain House bill.

    That the TIF is not needed nor do we qualify for it is demonstrated by the ugly development going up on the north side of Burlington, the VC, the acquisition of the Arcade, Delaplaine Crossing, the condos on Quincy at the tracks, and condo conversions on Pine and Forest.

    As to caring about the Olmsted vision, I can think of one business on Burlington that needs to replace its atrociously ugly flowers.

    Why is it that no one who is in favor of the TIF can spell?

    Posted Friday May 4, 2007 08:25 #
  7. MikeT
    Member

    Thanks, Catherine, for the extra clarification on the Eminent Domain question. And, thanks, again, to Mr Sundstrom for bringing out out the questions that people have on the TIF. It is productive to try to answer them.

    TIF and ED
    The residents should be very clear on the power of the TIF tool that apparently the Village still seems to be pushing forward.

    One of the TIF's functions, or powers, as a municipal tool, is its facilitating of Eminent Domain. This is what you get 'out of the box' from a TIF. Recall that it declares at the start that it is in the public good to redevelop properties in the TIF district; it also provides the dollars to do this. I just had a conversation yesterday with a person who is very knowledgable on tifs (and wd be supportive of a tif here if there were an agreed upon pla governing its use) and he immediately shot back to me and said, 'of course TIFs enable Eminent Domain'.

    TIFs were originally designed for truly blighted areas such as for Lawndale in Chicago where there are vacant lots and absent or derelict owners. By using Eminent Domain with a TIF in this context, a municipality can do lot assembly and thus do some of the heavy lifting so that the land could more readily be used by a developer.

    However, Downtown Riverside is not Lawndale.

    And, IF the municipality is going to use a TIF, it can customize it to suit its goals and context, such as proscribing Eminent Domain, for example. However, Riverside's cbd is fully built out with no vacant land, save Swan Pond (which is not the cbd, but...), so ED would be pretty hurtful here. Also, it would be injurious to the CONCEPT of Riverside as a quaint cooperative small town (see BYT post above, and the visoin statements).

    The Village board has carefully considered these issues and have decided to keep the function in. Thus, the charge of an association of ED and this TIF stands. As was mentioned above, one of the rules for doing ED in the TIF with TIF moneies is to put the properties slated for acquisition in the housing impact section and to publish in the newspaper. One reason, I bet, that the IL legislature did this was to allow an open flow of knowledge on this.

    It would help people know that a property can be taken. As I said, this damages the property's value, too, since it stigmatizes it. The legislature has attempted to make some amends for this stigmatizing effect by making a small relocation allowance available. In my estimation, in our case, this relocation allowance is nothing close to the injury sustained due to being in the impact section. Thus, it is a no brainer to be removed from this sub-group.

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    ARCADE FLYER
    Here is a link that explored the Arcade Flyer content. Maybe it can be reviewed again in light of the recent questions on it.

    http://www.riversideinfo.org/forum/topic.php?id=274&page&replies=15#post-4243

    $.02
    I ignore typos and spelling in my own posts (sorry); my quick $.02: let's focus on the ideas and behaviors surrounding this debate and try to keep it above personal judgements. I think that anyone viewing or participating in this forum cares about Riverside; and I believe all inputs are valuable.

    Posted Friday May 4, 2007 11:15 #
  8. spatny
    Member

    I see that the EDC will have a new member - check the Monday agenda. Guess who?

    Posted Friday May 4, 2007 11:54 #
  9. CuriousResident
    Member

    Laube being appointed to the EDC!

    Ugh...stacking the deck even more FOR the TIF~

    It is going to take some serious mobilization of action by the Riverside residents' for there to be any chance at all to abort the TIF...rally?

    Posted Friday May 4, 2007 13:58 #
  10. RiversideResident
    Member

    Michael Laube?

    Posted Friday May 4, 2007 14:03 #

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