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  1. spatny
    Member

    This post was moved from the end of the thread "TIF Hidden Costs"

    When the Riverside Improvement Company developed Riverside, the man in charge wanted to take Olmsted's main park - the Big Ball Park - for his own homesite. He was, fortunately for us, dissuaded from doing so. All the lots on the "curvy" streets as they are now being referred to were originally to be 100ft minimum, the houses set back, the roads sunken and with just french drains, not curbs, so they would not be so defined and really, not even visible from one home looking across to the opposite side. Forty-seven thousand trees and plants were put in, and 75 years later, when I was growing up here, the towering America Elms made tunnels of streets like Longcommon and even Burlington. We still had an old guy with a Model A and a ladder going around and fooling with the gas lamps. The sky was dark then, with no Chicago and Expressway sodium vapor lights to bounce off the clouds, and there was a lot more understory growth on all the triangles and parks - enough so if you were riding a motorcycle without license plates and were chased by the cops you could round a corner, duck in, and lay it down, and they'd never find you - "I'm told."

    The old Grillette - where the Chew Chew is now - was like something out of a Drive-In movie - and how the Petersen Brothers ever managed to stay sane listening to "Rock Around the Clock" almost endlessly, I'll never know. The tunnel was a place where you kissed your girlfriend, or someone's girlfriend, and you could buy gas and get a job at Henderson Pure Oil (now Riverside Garage) or at Frank Martin's (now Delaplaine Crossing (ugh.)) Parking behind the Scout Cabin the cops couldn't see you or didn't bother. Kids rode their bikes to school - there were never all the parents and nannys and grandparents waiting out in front of Central/Hauser - kids walked or rode to school.

    We just had our 50th RBHS reunion, and so many who came back were shocked to see that the VC was being allowed to be built. The Police and Rec Department want more understory taken out so that stalkers can't lurk or sports can be played in places that Olmsted intended to be left for more tranquil pursuits. People refuse to walk a few blocks to town but go to gyms to work out. Fewer resources are allocated for tree maintenance and replanting when though most residents list the "woodsy" feel as one of the things they like most about the Village. People buy old houses, tear them down, take out trees and build McMansions, then wonder why we have flooding problems. Where we used to have some nice festival decorations, I now see the same tacky "made in China" crap out in front of homes here that I do in Cicero. And I realize - it isn't the Village that's changed, it's the people.

    Everyday I walk my dog in one or more of the parks, down various streets, and everyday I pick up bags, literally bags, or cups, bottles, wrappers and assorted unmentionable detritus from our streets. At all hours of the day I hear cars rolling thru with brain-softening noise levels pulsing. Maybe Riverside is out of step with what these people want - but I am not interested in what they want. I worked for Frank Lloyd Wright, who valued the individual above the committee meeting, and so when I see this garbage on the streets I act individually, pick it up and put it in the garbage. I can't pick up structures like the VC and put them in a dumpster, would that I could. So I must then look at how it got here and who allowed that kind of junk to be built here, and then say, I won't ever allow them to do be trusted with the wherewithal to build more of the same.

    Regardless of all the protective coloration that is now being applied "after the fact" to have community workshops and all the rest, the fact of the matter is that this Admin and this Board were all set to ram this through and build more of the same, and do it on parcels that most people think are park-protected (and aren't.) This Board hired outside consultants (proffered by Metra) for the TOD study, which is now spoken of like it was Holy Writ, and then rehired these guys to get them a funding mechanism so they could pursue it. Regardless what they say about not using ED today, or hearing the community, or looking for other alternatives to the Parking Garage, or any of the other statements coming forth, the fact is, that if people hadn't gotten outraged and stood up, we'd already be well on the way to having this thing in place.

    I'm happy to hear all this discussion - and while I think building a "movie set" downtown would be intellectually dishonest and eminently unsuccessful, I'm glad to hear people say they would support local businesses if they were there. So just do it with what you have. Support the ones that are there, and drive to LaGrange or wherever you need to go for what you can't get here. But don't, please, don't stick us with any more ugly buildings that won't work. If all the people in town that now run to the Jewel or Dominicks or Starbucks or whatever just took that money into town we could get an increase in sales tax revenue without squandering millions on studies and lawyers and all the rest. If our local businesses had local support, others would be trying to get in - but they don't. Don't throw the baby that you have out with the bath water. There are a million LaGrange's, dozens of Forest Park Madison Street (have you ever seen or heard that late at night in the summer?) and innumerable opportunities to acquire what you can't get here. But where else can you get Olmsted's carefully crafted vistas, or the view this morning with that delicate tracery of snow against the wet, black bark of the trees, or the deer I saw in the Swan Pond? Let's keep what we have.

    Posted Monday Jan 15, 2007 23:47 #
  2. MikeT
    Member

    Spatny, I love hearing of your recollections of times past and of your astute observations of Riverside now. Thanks for the insights.

    Like in a basketball game, I guess I might wave my arm sheepishly and say, I was the one who spoke of a 'movie set'. Of all the 1000+ posts on this forum, I am guessing I was the only one who would propose such a thing.

    What I was suggesting in that post, in a flurry of images that was coming forth more as a vision, was a suggestion of Riverside's 'brand distinction', of its differentness. I was not trying to invent anything that I did not see. I wanted to make the north and south sides of Burlington from Henningers to the Century 21 to be the same kind of look and feel that is already here. While I know we might not completely do this re-making, I was saying that whatever we do -if we do anything - we should mimic the 'hollywood set-ness' of what is already here. [I have to admit that I was RESPONDING to the question or problem posed by the village, what kind of development would you do? ]

    BTW, I KNOW if this were built out like this (even if it were not built out like this), w/ a good PR campaign, we can have tons of people here. This is my dirty little secret that makes me ambivalent about touting Riverside too much. I was jaw struck and I came from Oak Park only a few minutes away. I never knew of it. There just MUST be many people like me who see the value of Riverside's charm. I see it ALL THE TIME when friends and relatives come from out of town. They immediately see its value, its 'brand'. One I know from California has already said if he moves to chicago, he'll move here after seeing this place. This seemed to be the big reason people were against the bike path when it was proposed. People said it will give away Riverside's as a secret place.

    So, it MIGHT NOT be, if you build it, they will come. It might be, if you tell them about it, they will come. But b4 we do this, make sure we can handle it.

    What I saw when I came here 18 years ago and still see today was an already existing 'hollywood set' of Central School's massive romanesque elements, its bell tower, castle-like windows, and gargoyles, the raw stone of the Episcopalian church with its heavy wood outlines almost as from a VanGogh, the queen anne victorian dentist office with ITS baby tower connecting to the big tower, bay windows, severe angles -the quintessence of Victorian charm- the Tower itself, now nicely exposed, with its gothic windows and yellow and red brick, the Tower building with its slate roof, tudor timbers and bas relief.

    The Centennial park space in the middle of this evokes Hallmark moments during both the winter holidays and the warm months - don't we all love approaching Centennial Park as we travel closer...closer to this special surprise of a town that is a throwback to times past, to this storybook village center?

    Then the railroad tracks bisect the center of town nicely with the strong long horizontal lines of the train station, with its array of tall windows and the brass gas lamp fixtures peeking out - hey, this was used as a movie set too!

    Directly across is the Arcade Buldng w/ ITS decorative red brick and windows connected to its sister tower; the light and bustle of grumpys and chew chew is perfectly suited at the street there; next is the bank's Victorian lines, and then the imposing Town Hall and its HUGE clock - which was in 'Back to the Future', you know. Completing this Stonehenge of charm, is the inspired Library, echoing perfectly the buildings, the look and the feel of the space surrounding it (w/ ITS stone and gargloyes and lines).

    The gentle curve of the roadway coming toward town hall lets the person see the 'sylvis' part of Riverside, the forested Guthrie park that beckons invitingly to the 'piece de resistance' of this set, the bend in the river below, still with only trees on either side, looking as it did 200, 400 years ago. This is even better than Universal Studios!

    This space is Huck Finn, and charm, man. And, yes, keep the natural dirt walkway, please, Village. We got a revenue crunch. It is dirt cheap!

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    EDIT - let me add: if we simply clean up the cbd, do a Riverside Plumbing kind of thing, where you do a tasteful re-do of the facade, remove the Courtesy home center vertical plank cladding and glass block windows as well as fixing the water pipes in the tower bldng etc, hey, that'd be great as a cheaper alternative.

    MikeT

    Posted Tuesday Jan 16, 2007 00:02 #
  3. Catherine
    Member

    Hear, hear Spatny. Well and truly said.

    I have always been mystified by why people would have the good taste to move here, then show the bad taste that is so often shown. I am beginning to think it is not Riverside itself that is cherished, but these "low property taxes" and schools folks often talk about.

    Posted Tuesday Jan 16, 2007 10:26 #
  4. ChrisHajer
    Member

    MikeT said "remove the Courtesy home center vertical plank cladding and glass block windows"

    Mike, have you looked at the "glass block" closely? I have been looking at some of the building on Burlington, above the plate glass windows (I assume that's what you mean) and if it's not covered by wood, it appears to be leaded glass actually, not glass block. I wonder if the other buildings, which are covered with wood, have that too? I kinda like the look of the old glass above the plate glass windows. I will try to post an address of one of the stores where I've seen it. Maybe the travel agent or the bakery.

    I was trying to imagine the DT without the Courtesy wood. In addition to just the vertical wood on the façade, there is some false front above most of the doorways, with slats for the air conditioners, and also some horizontal soffits (look at Pre Hop for an example.)

    I think it would look nice with all that tan wood off there, but I still wonder what's underneath.

    Posted Tuesday Jan 16, 2007 10:52 #
  5. Catherine
    Member

    Oh God yes. I often wonder what is under those wood - if they are wood - panels on all the facades. If they would at least paint them a forest green or a shade of brown - Riverside colors, that would help.

    Posted Tuesday Jan 16, 2007 11:09 #
  6. ChrisHajer
    Member

    Maybe they were trying to mimic the color of the brick on the watertower...

    (kidding)

    I was going to call the color "baby s**t brown" but that would not be a nice thing to say in a public forum. I do think it every time I walk by though

    Posted Tuesday Jan 16, 2007 11:16 #
  7. spatny
    Member

    If you take a look at the upper facade of the block that stretches from Riverside Plumbing all the way around the corner you will see some nice detail - better than the carap-ola that is going to appear on the VC. Recently a building of similar age and size recently had a modern(sic) front knocked off and a new, interesting brick front with incandescent gooseneck lamps put back. Looks very good. If anyone is driving down Roosevelt there is a large new block long apartment block built on the North side of the street just west of East Ave. If that had been built at the Henninger site at three stories it would have been a far more palatable solution - but we get this El Cheapo blonde brick abortion with the fake cat-slide roofs and other paste-on garbage. What a tragedy, because whether you want it or not, if that monster actually sells out you can bet that the owner across the street will want a fourth floor variance to redo his building, and the Board will swallow the bait. Can't people see that this is the new, painless way for property owners like him to get towns to bend over backwards to help them make a bundle. First you run it down, do the bare minimum and grab the rents, then when the Village tires of it ask them for the variances you want to build the biggest thing you can pile on the land. And then, if there is a TIF in place, ask them to contribute tax dollars to your construction budget and do all the infrastructure upgrades and even help market your space. How's that for beating the system. We shouldn't play that game.

    Posted Tuesday Jan 16, 2007 11:54 #
  8. Catherine
    Member

    Yes, that red and yellow brickface allowance in the new zoning ordinance is a real headache in an area in the center of town that cannot be avoided. We have beautiful native sandstone and limestone that literally can be picked out of the ground, it is so plentiful and characteristic. Why can't we get some of that in the facades.

    I live on the north side of Burlington. If I knew how loud the trains would be here, I wouldn't have moved here. If I had paid that kind of money, I would be spitting nails. And I at least have some screening. At that and other intersections, they do not. And we are not talking about something double-paned windows can fix.

    Posted Tuesday Jan 16, 2007 12:09 #
  9. spatny
    Member

    Well imagine then the absurdity of buying one of those nine scheduled previously for the Arcade (rear) site? Must have been above $400K, and you could feel the breeze from the train and have the music for down below. What a deal. At night, way over past Hauser, with double glazed windows, I hear the trains talking to each other. I bet that will make for an interesting sex life in those units.

    Posted Tuesday Jan 16, 2007 12:34 #
  10. MikeT
    Member

    What is the material of the Episcopalian church's stone?

    Posted Tuesday Jan 16, 2007 12:46 #

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