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  1. idic5
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    in the link above to the article by the Bush assistant, a couple of responses:

    the surge of forces in Iraq, Senator Obama was a harsh critic.

    His opposition to President Bush's new strategy was wrong.

    Much worse is the fact that Obama continued to oppose the surge at every stage, even after it was obviously succeeding.

    COMMENT: As I understand it, Obama has been a critic of the war in Iraq from the beginning, so of course he might be a critic of the surge. If the overall premise, and therefore the overall aims, of going into Iraq is questionable, then any tactic or strategy would also be questionable. Winning will get our country what? What does 'success' mean?

    At $50 billion a month - or whatever insane number that it is -- it is that much less that our government can have to bail out the banks, that much less for schools, both k-12 and college, that much less for infrastruture, states, and local governments such as Riverside; also, is getting back at a crazy dictator who dissed his dad, a great and sufficient reason to spill the blood of our precious warriors who truly want to help OUR country, especially after 911? In short, the 'success' of such a strategy might cost more to us than the benefits to us. If we are liberating that country, then why is it that most Iraqis want us to go home?

    Beyond that is the fact that Senator Obama, while exuding a centrist style and employing soothing rhetoric, has amassed a record that places him on the extreme left end of our political spectrum, whether the subject is taxes, trade, healthcare, the size and role of the federal government, the federal courts, missile defense, or virtually any other policy area.

    COMMENT: In my opinion, his record is too centrist and even right of center, as has been expressed by me in this space, at least on the issue of H-1B. Obama's position is very close to the position of Bush-McCain; on H-1B, for example, he firmly sides with the corporate mucky mucks.

    His record as an Illinois state senator is, if anything, more troubling. He opposed legislation that would have prevented infanticide against children who had survived abortion attempts.

    COMMENT: true; troubling to me or to anyone who values a consistent ethic of reverence for life. Of course, McCain, Palin, Bush indiscriminately bombing the crap of Iraq that has killed tens of thousands of innocent children is hardly expressing such a consistent reverence for life. iraqbodycount says it is about 100,000 lost civilian
    http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

    he has no impressive bipartisan achievements to his credit.

    COMMENT: I thought I heard that Obama has done some leadership work in a bipartisan manner on securing nuclear weapons.

    confirmed it just now - http://factbeat.com/get_story.php?id=263

    .

    On the other hand, here is an article from steve Huntley who casts some doubts on Obama; the bunching up of a certain kind of supreme court justice that is not centrist philosophically is a more important concern than Obama being a friend of Rashid Khalidi - the latter is so much fluff, imo.

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/huntley/1252150,CST-EDT-hunt31.article

    Posted Friday Oct 31, 2008 23:20 #
  2. Catherine
    Member

    I have always found it odious for Obama to compare his opposition to the war from his rinky-dink state senate seat to votes made by Democrats in positions of actual, real, and consequential responsibility in the US Senate. Sorry to say, some of his supporters are so dumb they think he was in the US Sentate in 2003.

    Corporations always find good friends in both parties. Here is more of Obama's nuclear work:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/us/politics/03exelon.html

    When residents in Illinois voiced outrage two years ago upon learning that the Exelon Corporation had not disclosed radioactive leaks at one of its nuclear plants, the state's freshman senator, Barack Obama, took up their cause.

    Mr. Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was “the only nuclear legislation that I've passed.—

    “I just did that last year,— he said, to murmurs of approval.

    A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks.

    Those revisions propelled the bill through a crucial committee. But, contrary to Mr. Obama's comments in Iowa, it ultimately died amid parliamentary wrangling in the full Senate.

    “Senator Obama's staff was sending us copies of the bill to review, and we could see it weakening with each successive draft,— said Joe Cosgrove, a park district director in Will County, Ill., where low-level radioactive runoff had turned up in groundwater. “The teeth were just taken out of it.—

    The history of the bill shows Mr. Obama navigating a home-state controversy that pitted two important constituencies against each other and tested his skills as a legislative infighter. On one side were neighbors of several nuclear plants upset that low-level radioactive leaks had gone unreported for years; on the other was Exelon, the country's largest nuclear plant operator and one of Mr. Obama's largest sources of campaign money.

    Since 2003, executives and employees of Exelon, which is based in Illinois, have contributed at least $227,000 to Mr. Obama's campaigns for the United States Senate and for president. Two top Exelon officials, Frank M. Clark, executive vice president, and John W. Rogers Jr., a director, are among his largest fund-raisers.

    Another Obama donor, John W. Rowe, chairman of Exelon, is also chairman of the Nuclear Energy Institute, the nuclear power industry's lobbying group, based in Washington. Exelon's support for Mr. Obama far exceeds its support for any other presidential candidate.

    In addition, Mr. Obama's chief political strategist, David Axelrod, has worked as a consultant to Exelon.

    *********

    I'm not saying whether I will or won't vote for the man, but his goody two-shoes routine really sickens me, as does his presumption to speak with disdain and ridicule about people of real accomplishment, like John McCain. Talk about negative campaigning because you have nothing else to say.

    Posted Saturday Nov 1, 2008 06:29 #
  3. idic5
    Member

    If 'McCain is senile', then Obama is overtly cautious and calculating. The anecdote reported by catherine above about excelon supports this. If computer programmers and their ilk had a union, I would not be surprised if he'd be against H-1B - he'd incur some blood to be for H-1B.

    I just saw a video on youtube that is placing martin luther king speeches and images alongside of Barack Obama's. Now MLK, obviously, was a real mensch who took great risks, and I find it distasteful to put Obama in the same sentence or picture as that great man. I think this slickly edited video might have been done by a fan, vs the obama machine. If so, then it is an almost delusional idealization, placing such hopes and attributes onto this man that the record does not support.

    In the end, I bet the winner will be the one who is not associated with the party associated with this economic mess.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/01/business/economy/01deflation.html?partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

    Fear of Deflation Lurks as Global Demand Drops

    Posted Saturday Nov 1, 2008 23:32 #
  4. Catherine
    Member

    Yes, certainly cautious and calculating. Watch the Frontline edition on Obama and McCain. There is a great gap between knowledge and action. It is this gap that concerns me.

    King, a great man while younger than Obama, who laid down his skull, liberty, and finally his life, knowing it was at risk, for the right. No comparison in the content of character yet discernible. Also absurd are comparisons to JFK, a war hero with 14 years experience in the US Congress.

    I believe any Democrat would win this year. Windfall to Obama. There is no denying it will be a singularly great day for our country for reasons we all know if he is elected.

    Posted Monday Nov 3, 2008 09:20 #
  5. idic5
    Member

    I watched the Frontline documentary on Mccain and Obama last night. One thing that struck me was the thinness of Obama's resume/experience. I turned my head away for a second and he was no longer a Illinois state senator; same with a nat'l senator - now he was first thinking / planning for president , then running for president. More power to him. :) I slogged away at my job for twenty blanking six years!

    What has he got that I aint got,

    COURAGE !

    --you better believe it

    In addition to this (actually contained in this), he has an ability to speak in public (and write and think critically - he wrote that race speech himself - a good sign). Courage and equanimity are contained in this ability to speak in public. Of course, he had an intelligent, well oiled, moneyed, and organized machine that propped him up, sort of like a huge iceberg with barack at the tip. Finally, it helped that the hell shaped recession (TM) came along in the last month before the election and the incumbent party's leader has the lowest approval rating since ratings began.

    This impression reminded me of a post made in this space on the importance of EDUCATION (in general) and in particular PUBLIC SPEAKING. Parents, encourage your kids to get educated, see the big picture, be in that talent show, and stand up and speak! -- they might be president (of something) someday.

    http://www.riversideinfo.org/forum/topic.php?id=206&page&replies=11#post-3574

    [hah, I just saw the reference to the cowardly lion below (after I independently made such a reference above). ]

    On this subject of Education...

    One thing I want to pass to all of you parents:

    GET YOUR KIDS ON STAGE, DO DEBATE, DECLAIM, SPEAK OUT!, EXPRESS YOURSELF, DO ART! KEEP THEM IN SCHOOL, ENCOURAGE INDEPENDENT, CRITICAL, ANALYTICAL THINKING !

    It is a Riverside thing, a 'Concorde West' kind of thing.

    Long after your gone, they might have some town or city want to take their homes. Give them the tools to fight - education of the mind and of the spirit!

    I have been absolutely scared shi*less going up there and speaking during this debacle - 'cause I did not have good educational training on that front, I believe. And this demerit of education showed at the last workshop - I just lost the noive and the courage to say my two cents on behalf of the TIF residents during this most important workshop, the final exam, if you will, on this tool. I did not speak on the Big Brother-ness of this tool. Shame on me, and sorry. I will try to get it out SOMEHOW....I asked the moderator and she did not think it necessary, but....

    [Our ignorance is their power.]

    Posted Tuesday Nov 4, 2008 13:39 #
  6. spatny
    Member

    No one should be ashamed of striving for excellence. There is nothing wrong for wanting to climb to reach your highest capacity. Mike, your kids are great kids, smart, and your parenting skills show. You should be proud of whatyou are doing, and you will overcome this setback. Remember, if you have it 72 degrees all the time, you don't know about cold and heat. You are a great guy and a winner and very successful in your own right. Dn't believe me - just ask your kids. Or ask their teachers, who know what great parents they must have to be like they are.

    Posted Tuesday Nov 4, 2008 16:15 #
  7. Catherine
    Member

    "I watched the Frontline documentary on Mccain and Obama last night. One thing that struck me was the thinness of Obama's resume/experience. I turned my head away for a second and he was no longer a Illinois state senator; same with a nat'l senator - now he was first thinking / planning for president , then running for president."

    You could call it courage. Or you could call it gall and overweening ambition.

    The good news is he won't spend half of this job trying to get to the next rung as he did with all the other ones.

    I think it is not too much to expect intelligence, education, good character, and substantial experience in the President of the United States.

    Posted Tuesday Nov 4, 2008 16:23 #
  8. idic5
    Member

    Maybe he'll try for God - kidding! I like the dude overall.

    'Ambition', a bit of a segueway to the other comment I was going to make: that today, election day, is the day we start the orderly process of the transition of power. Just think how this process COULD be, and how it has been thoughout human history, up to even current times.

    Along thse lines, this last weekend, when selecting a family movie, I thought we s/ see a movie having to do with elections or politics, say, The Candidate, or Mr Smith goes to Washington. But my son had just finished studying MacBeth at school , so we watched a movie adaptation of that play.

    As anyone who knows the story wd agree, Macbeth is actually a perfect vehicle for this time. It describes a transition of power that has been typical - through violence and a rule of the jungle.

    Also, great analyst of the human psyche that Shakespeare is, he also shows the 'vaulting ambition' inherent in those that want this prize - and this includes Mccain, lest someone thinks I am beating up barack.

    Here are a few quotes from Macbeth

    "If chance will have me king, why, chance may crown me". (Act I, Scene III).

    "Look like the innocent flower, but be the serpent under 't." (Act I, Scene V).

    "I have no spur to prick the sides of my intent, but only vaulting ambition, which o'erleaps itself, and falls on the other." --Macbeth

    "If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well
    It were done quickly"

    "False face must hide what the false heart doth know."

    Posted Tuesday Nov 4, 2008 17:13 #
  9. Catherine
    Member

    Well, he's president-elect now, God bless him.

    Yes, all commentary on the greatness of America.

    Posted Wednesday Nov 5, 2008 00:13 #

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