Just out of curiosity, I read something in a different thread about North Riverside Mall, and we 'lost it' 30 years ago. What is that about? Was the Mall considering being located in town? Where?
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Posted Thursday Jan 11, 2007 04:27 #
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Yes, that was most incoherent as the post also implied that Mike T had made no suggestions for the improvment of Riverside.
God forbid that sewer of crime should be here; it has not been fit to take children to for over a decade now. I wouldn't call THAT a mistake. I DID hear a long time resident say at the 11/21 meeting that Riverside accidentally received checks from it, spent the money (how could they not know it was not theirs?) then had to return it.
Posted Thursday Jan 11, 2007 08:11 # -
Catherine: I recall that comment at the 11/21 meeting. It was made by Ms. Palado and is recorded on page 152 of the transcript of that meeting. I don't know if it's true or not. There was no comment by the village board after she made her comments.
Here is the transcript at the village website:
http://tinyurl.com/y52ppq(as much as I wanted to attribute that comment to Ms. Morevek, the self-proclaimed "Blackhawk Bitch" it wasn't made by her.)
Posted Thursday Jan 11, 2007 11:17 # -
Ms. Palado's comments were only about how our village was accidentally receiving checks for $20,000, $40,000, did not pay attention that they were not meant for us, and ended up owing around $350,000 back to NR, they had to tax everyone in the village to come up with the cash to pay back NR, our village had already spent the $.
Posted Thursday Jan 11, 2007 14:43 # -
If I understood correctly, my neighbor, who has been here over 40 years (and who is also on the demolish list, btw), told me once that Riverside at one time owned the nr mall land, or possibly could have acquired it.
Apparently, we either lost it to NR or sold it to NR.
If this is true, this is like the Indians selling Manhattan to the Dutch for $23.
It is like the Brock for Ernie Broglio trade that the Cubs did in '61.
I'll shut up. You probably get the point.
miket
Posted Thursday Jan 11, 2007 15:44 # -
FYI - The NR Mall stands on land that belonged to the City of Chicago - along Harlem it was a tree farm, and the Municipal TB Sanitarium, which was west of the old rail tracks and which I believed was a joint City-County thing. Over where Rizza Ford is was a CTA and West Towns Transit stretcar, bus and trolley barn and lot. (The Douglas Park El ran out to Oak Park Ave and the streetcars, later buses, ran from Western Electric up Cermak and then down Desplaines to Park, turned West and crossed the river, went behind RBHS, past the zoo, and on to Lagrange. All this land was available for very little, but North Riverside just moved faster than Riverside. You have to remember that Riverside didn't want things in those days, for example allowing Sullivan's Babson Estate to be demolished and the Coonley house to be cut up. As I understand it the land passed to N. Riverside and stood vacant for quite awhile before being developed. And yes, it does have serious problems now.
Posted Thursday Jan 11, 2007 16:35 # -
Big mistake of the past: tearing down a Sullivan. A tidbit for those who think such things cannot happen.
Spatny, as a historian you must also know that Frank Nitti walked behind that sanitarium and onto the tracks I believe that now face the front of the mall and there chose to meet his fate. But I digress.
Posted Thursday Jan 11, 2007 16:45 # -
Nitti would have got a better deal from the VC developers.
Posted Thursday Jan 11, 2007 17:10 # -
FYI Re Sales Tax Revenue:
In regards to the North Riverside Mall and the apparent sales tax dollars that the State sent to Riverside instead of North Riverside; I am assuming the checks were made out to Riverside and not North Riverside (otherwise, they could not have been cashed by Riverside). Assuming the checks were written by the State to Riverside, I do not see how Riverside could have avoided the situation that is described above.By state law, the State of Illinois Dept of Revenue is not allowed to tell a municipality from which businesses sales tax dollars are coming. A Village gets a single check from the state with no explanation as to which businesses generated the sales tax revenues. So a Village would have no way of knowing that the State screwed up and sent the "North Riverside Mall" sales tax revenue to the wrong Village. And please keep in mind also that sales tax dollars do not come only from retail businesses. You could have a small business office that conducts sales transactions and reports the point of sales as Riverside and, thus, pays its sales tax to Riverside. As a result, fluctuations in sales tax revenues are normal and can be unpredictable.
I am not here to defend our Village government and I know nothing about this particular issue other than what has been written above. But I think we all need to be careful about statements that hint at or imply wrongdoing or negligence unless we are absolutely, positively, beyond a reasonable doubt, sure that wrongdoing or negligence has occured.
Posted Thursday Jan 11, 2007 17:27 # -
Doug,
I was not inferring anything, just paraphrasing Ms. Palado's comments from page 152 of the minutes of the November 21 public mtg. She is referring to an event that happened 30 years ago. It has no relevance to this thread. Which is what I was trying to say.Posted Thursday Jan 11, 2007 17:34 #
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