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  1. mrt
    Member

    (Public) pensions have been mentioned in these pages alot (clicking on the 'pension' tag above gives some links). Today's Suntimes, Terry avage relates that we are actually borrowing from them now to pay for the state's operations. And she quotes a report that says Illinois gov't has been doing this for the last 30 yrs. It cites a source called, www.IllinoisIsBroke.com . Pretty clearly named, eh?

    http://www.suntimes.com/business/savage/2048376,CST-NWS-savage15.savagearticle

    Emperor has no clothes: Pensions are short cash

    February 15, 2010
    BY TERRY SAVAGE savage@suntimes.com

    Illinois politicians are at it again. They're borrowing from the future to make state pension contributions today. Illinois has one of the most underfunded public pension plans in the nation.

    When boomers start retiring, there won't be enough money to pay those pension promises. Both political parties are still trying to hide the magnitude of the problem.
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    Under Gov. Rod Blagojevich, Illinois borrowed $10 billion for pensions in 2003, with some of the borrowings to be invested in the stock market to beat the 5 percent cost of interest.
    (AP File)

    In early January, while everyone was busy watching the nasty campaign commercials, the State of Illinois pulled an end-run on the budget process. On Jan. 7 the state sold $3.5 billion of "pension obligation notes." In simple English, the state borrowed money to finance the state's contribution to its five retirement systems.

    ...

    In November 2009, the state's Pension Modernization Task Force sent its recommendations to Gov. Quinn. The Task Force concluded that Illinois' unfunded pension liability exceeds $61 BILLION! And that number is growing exponentially.

    The report points out the "deadly combination of nearly 30 years of systematic state underfunding of its employer contributions to the pension systems" as the main cause of the gap between promises and reality. It's also exacerbated by longer life expectancies and payout periods, not to mention the second-worst decade ever for investment returns.

    The report lays out the problem clearly:

    "Not wanting to implement dramatic cuts in spending on essential services, the legislature and various governors elected to instead divert revenue from making the required employer pension contribution to maintaining services like education, health care, public safety and caring for disadvantaged populations. Effectively, the state used the pension systems as a credit card to fund ongoing service operations."

    Several pension reform proposals have been presented to the Illinois Legislature. Even the most gentle reforms would require the state to make additional annual pension contributions of more than $12 billion every year. Simply cutting benefits for current or future retirees comes nowhere near to solving the problem. And the prospect of a longer-lasting recession wreaks havoc on the state budget, aside from pension contributions.

    Illinois now has public debt of more than $130 BILLION. Unlike the federal government, our state cannot simply create new money to pay its bills. At some point -- and that point is very near -- investors will no longer be willing to lend money that cannot be repaid.

    If you would like to see more facts and figures, check out the Web site www.IllinoisIsBroke.com, created by the nonpartisan Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago. A visit to the site shows a few pictures that are worth a thousand words -- and billions of dollars.
    ...

    Posted Monday Feb 15, 2010 22:22 #
  2. anonymous
    Member

    I have no comment to make. I'm speechless.

    Posted Tuesday Feb 16, 2010 00:51 #
  3. mr
    Member

    This issue has turned me into a single issue voter. I vote against anyone who won't acknowledge the serious problems with public employee pensions and committ to restore parity between public employee and private sector benefits. I know Terry Savage says that addressing benefits for future or current employees won't solve the problem. Still I urge you all to go to the Illinoisisbroke website and look at the articles under the news tab. The Sun Times has written many articles describing the various problems. The article that talks about how the taxpayers are picking up the pensions based on working for the union, rather than the goverment, really got me. The whole way these pensions are structured is unfair to the taxpayer.

    This issue has also convinced me that I need to view "big goverment" solutions with skepticism. These pensions are a swindle. They have been mismanaged and the outsized benefits are a tool to buy votes with taxpayer money. Labor contracts have not been negotiated on behalf of the taxpayer.

    Posted Tuesday Feb 16, 2010 10:40 #
  4. Information
    Member

    All citizens of Illinois should be interested, concerned and informed about the various pension systems for public employees in the State of Illinois.

    First and foremost, citizens should know that there are many different public employee pension plans in the State of Illinois. The City of Chicago has their own pension plans. The State of Illinois has separate pension plans for Teachers, for Judges, for legislators, for University employees, and for other civil servants. Downstate and suburban fire and police (everyone outside of Chicago and including the suburbs) have their own pension plan which is administered locally and separately for each municipality or district (i.e. Board of Fire and Police Commissioners). The pension plan for other downstate and suburban civil servants (Illinois Municipal Retirement Fund) is funded entirely by employee and employer contributions and has a consolidated management entity.

    These are all separate and distinct programs that have no direct connection to each other. Problems that exist in one pension plan are not necessarily a problem in another. Benefits provided to retirees in one plan are significantly different from benefits provided in other plans. Therefore, when discussing pension reform it is necessary to understand the differences in these various pension plans and to relate reform measures to specific pension plans.

    The Illinois Municipal League web site is one source of information regarding public employee pension funds. A report completed by IML provides a good overview of the various public employee pension plans in Illinois. Please link to:

    http://pension.iml.org/files/pages/2421/FiscalAnalysis.pdf

    Posted Tuesday Feb 16, 2010 13:19 #
  5. mr
    Member

    Thanks for the "Information". Yes, the pensions are not the same, and some of the plans are adequately funded. Still, the state of Illinois makes the rules for about 18 of the plans, even though they only are responsible for funding five of them. I am also aware that the employees contribute to their pension funds. The question is whether or not the contibutions are adequate relative to the benefits and relative to private industry plans. Social Security recipients and their employers are paying for Social Security too. Social Security and Military Retirees did not get a COLA this year and probably won't get one next year. Still, teachers on pensions got an automatic 3% raise and will get the same next year. Private pension plans have no COLAs. The rules on some of these plans are rediculous and an insult to the taxpayers. It isn't just a matter of adequate funding.

    Posted Thursday Feb 18, 2010 13:16 #
  6. HRCollins
    Member

    Some interesting research from the Pew Charitable Trust.

    Nationally
    http://www.pewtrusts.org/news_room_detail.aspx?id=32368

    Illinois
    http://www.pewtrusts.org/uploadedFiles/wwwpewtrustsorg/Fact_Sheets/State_policy/FINAL_Illinois.pdf

    Posted Thursday Feb 18, 2010 14:21 #
  7. anonymous
    Member

    Glenn Beck had a masterful show today on publicly funded pensions. No matter what you think about the man, if have of what he says is true then we are in bigger trouble than previously thought. The show will be run again at 1:00 on FoxNews. Set your DVR.

    Posted Friday Feb 19, 2010 17:58 #
  8. spatny
    Member

    Probably far less than 50% of it will turn out to be accurate. Maybe you should also track Rachael Madow's response. If I set my DVR toFox it would explode.

    Posted Friday Feb 19, 2010 18:59 #
  9. anonymous
    Member

    It really would be wise for everyone to understand what is going on with these unfunded government pensions. Whoever is reporting it is not really the issue. The issue is the bankruptcy of our state and local governments due to the outrageous government union pensions. Take a look.

    Posted Friday Feb 19, 2010 20:37 #
  10. anonymous
    Member

    This is an editorial from the Chicago Tribune's Feb.18th edition regarding the Illinois pensions....

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-pension0218-20100217,0,331127.story

    Posted Saturday Feb 20, 2010 08:54 #

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