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Report from 3/19 board meeting

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  1. MDS
    Member

    Regarding the resolution authorizing more money for Kane McKenna:

    Since 2/3/06, the village board has spent $62,500 on the services of Kane McKenna for work on the TIF. McKenna is owed another $11,658.75 for work outside of the scope of the project, which was described at tonight's meeting as "public education," which I took to mean Phil McKenna's participation in the workshops.

    The options in front of the board were:

    1. Authorize payment of $15,000 (to cover current outstanding expenses, plus a bit more)
    2. Authorize $45,000 (current expenses + $30,000 to complete work on the TIF as-is)
    3. Authorize $115,000 (current expenses + $100,000 to change boundary of TIF)

    After some debate, the board passed a resolution authorizing payment of just the $11,658.75 owed to McKenna.

    On a related note, it appears that Kane McKenna charges the village (and its taxpayers) to take phone calls from Ms. Rush, as she noted that she had put in a couple of calls to them, and that would not be covered in the $11,658.75 that was authorized.

    Posted Monday Mar 19, 2007 21:28 #
  2. spatny
    Member

    What a farce. Ms Rush already ran up eleven grand in extras beyond what was authorized and then pretends she couldn't call the guy unless she had "a cushion." Our great thanks to Mr. McKenna for attending our workshops and "educating" the commonfolk - at how much per hour. I hope everybody gets the message - these parasites just bill for everything they can, get it now, and then build themselves into the deal so they'll get ongoing fees for the life of the party. This is obscene, but Trustee Smith's tirade at the LAC and picking on Joanna was disgusting.

    Posted Monday Mar 19, 2007 21:45 #
  3. KimJ
    Member

    "They are all Olmstedian Creationist Fundamentalists," Kevin Smith

    "After the workshops it is clear no one changed their mind, you are still either for progress and development or you think the board is up to mischief," Thomas Shields

    Seems the COW is the place to be in 2 weeks.

    Posted Monday Mar 19, 2007 22:04 #
  4. spatny
    Member

    Well if Corbi and his Pal Mike want to include the schools they are going to have to pay Kane McKenna $100K for the privilege of doing so. That's their price for changing the boundaries, etc. These guys should have ski masks and shotguns. I say - "Get a rope!"

    I thought perhaps the Board was being misled by these cretins - but now I see they are in it up to their eyeballs. We ought to buy them a set of white canes. If they are this far out of their depth at this stage, imagine how they will be skinned down the road. We are in trouble, that's for sure. What they should have said is to these guys is "Get on the bus, Gus." This is pathetic.

    Posted Monday Mar 19, 2007 22:52 #
  5. MikeT
    Member

    Fascinating meeting tonight. We saw the Board in action, with distinct personalities showing. We got a sense of how much consultants get, and where our money goes.

    CITIZEN KANE McKENNA
    We saw how much money McKenna recvd for the housing impact study, the study to displace private property ($10,000). We saw how much money McKenna recvd for his time at the two workshops, where he said he recommended to retain Eminent Domain as a TIF feature. An acquantance of mine, who saw a workshop on TV, said he was not at all impressed with him or his presentation, and afterwards, had more questions than he ever had, and was now anti tif. Maybe Mckenna did earn his money, after all.

    11,658 REASONS
    $45,000 for McKenna to finish the TIF.
    Do I hear a second?
    Dramatic pause.
    nothing.

    Ms Gustafson - We should pay them what they have done and allocate more monies, if appropriate, when we take up the TIF again. She had already asked earlier in the meeting when they would take up the TIF, and it was said by the president that it would be taken up after the election in later April. She let out an expression of delight - that she was not going to have to vote on it.

    Mr Scanlon - we should pay McKenna for what we asked them to do as long as we were satisfied with their work

    Ms Grace - I can't recall her comment

    Mr Scully - we said there would be a pause in the TIF, and we should respect that pause. He also said that he would like to see an accounting of what the consultants were paid and what they did (is Mr Scully running for election?).

    Mr Shields - this is micromanaging at its worst. We are not giving the Village Manager any discretion. Who will she talk to ?

    [At this point, to my friend standing next to me, I showed my hand, and whispered, 'talk to the hand']

    Mr Shields - we should at least give her $15,000 for a cushion.

    Mr Smith - we should pay them $11,658, and 75 cents.

    RATIONALITY RULES

    What is that song, 11,658 reasons... to ... McKenna.

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    OR SO I THOUGHT...
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    Then after some people left the meeting and after they talked about the towing ordinance, and after they talked about whether stop signs should be removed on Delaplaine to save the Village $400,000 - btw, most if not all of the board was for safety on this issue. Guess who came down on the revenue side and not on the safety side? Mr Shields.

    [ At this, I had an immediate impression in my mind of the presidential candidate Martin Sheen played in the movie The Dead Zone holding the baby in front of him to protect himself from the sniper - Martin Sheen's candidacy went down rather abruptly. ]

    So after the Stop sign deliberation, in closing remarks, Mr Shields said, almost petulantly, that when he said there would be a pause in the TIF, he did not think it would be for this long. He said further that the workshops did nothing. They did not change any minds that were not already made up.

    [this is false: in my limited experience, I know of at least 4 people who were true fence post sitters who are very anti-tif after the workshops; the more they learned about the TIF, the more they did not like it, they told me]

    Then he asked for the TIF to be deliberated on at the next meeting, the COW.

    Mr Wiaduck - yes, we will bring it up at the COW.

    If you were following this entry, you will notice that this contradicts what Mr Wiaduck told Ms Gustafson earlier.

    At the COW, no one can hear your public comment, since no public comment is allowed.

    How ...convenient !

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    TO THE COW! rode the 300 !

    Posted Tuesday Mar 20, 2007 01:17 #
  6. Catherine
    Member

    "They are all Olmstedian Creationist Fundamentalists," Kevin Smith

    About whom was this said, where and when? What was his tirade against the LAC member?

    Anyone who would say this obviously is not fit to kiss Olmsted's arse. Persons prone to explosive and uncontrollable attacks of rage in inappropriate settings should seek professional help.

    Posted Tuesday Mar 20, 2007 09:37 #
  7. Catherine
    Member

    Was not Mr Shields the one person on the board whose mind was made up before this entire process? Perhaps it is himself he is thinking of when he said no one's mind had been changed. How could anyone even know that? Why would they not wait for the referendum before taking up the discussion?

    400K is not an amount to be scorned, but I can't believe anyone would want to remove stop signs after what happened on Burlington. I suppose that is a matter for the people who live on Delaplane.

    Posted Tuesday Mar 20, 2007 09:49 #
  8. MikeT
    Member

    NAMES and MONEY
    Yes, Mr Smith said that rather odd name calling, but he also said that the consultants should only get what they worked for, and nothing more, right now.

    So in the end I might suffer the name calling, as long as the money is cut off.

    As with terror organizations - I am NOT name calling and suggesting that TIF is Terrorist Insidious Financing+ - we need to stop the money. You stop the money, you stop the terror.

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    MONEY over SAFETY
    Speaking of money, I must really make clear the import of the Stop Signs on Delaplaine vote. I believe it is comparable to the TIF debate. For MONEY, revenue, we would change the character of the town.

    The character of the town is small, quiet, safe, slow, and tranquil. Removing those stop signs, while apparently saving the Village $400k - I am taking this at face value since I only learned about the issue yesterday - would also make that road even faster and more dangerous than it is already. As our town is like a mobius strip, that road is intimately interconnected with the whole town; if it harms that street, it harms our town.

    As C Grace mentioned, removing the stop signs would make it harder to walk the town, especially for the kids going to school. She reminded us that we want to encourage walking and to reduce cars. I will add: like the parking deck, it encourages cars and congestion.

    Some trustee at this point - possible Scully, but I am not sure - then brought up the issue of 'TRAFFIC' in town. It was noted that we need to look at the increased non-Riverside traffic that is at a 'tipping point', I believe was the words I heard. I agree with this statement. I think we are at a congested state, a precipitate solution if you will, with cars in town already. We need to do things to manage, filter, and reduce this car traffic and not to encourage and stimulate it.

    I found it very poetic, strangely consistant, that Mr Shields, the trustee who is an explicit avowed pro tif person, the one who works at the firm that is one of the premier pro TIF firms in Chicago, was the only trustee who was actually FOR the removal of the stop signs. This pro tif position sees money more than the less tangible, but very real, charm and safety.

    charm and safety

    cannot be parsed and quantified as money can but when lost, will make our town's environment much worse off.

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    + but I am suggesting that the pro TIF position is an example of Unintelligent Design

    Posted Tuesday Mar 20, 2007 10:04 #
  9. Elisa
    Member

    How can anyone possibly forget the boy who was killed on Delaplaine? They can not - not - not take out stop signs on that road. It is far too dangerous. And add to the fact that President Wiaduck recently cast the deciding vote to fine speeders even more when they are caught close to a park - the Big Ball Park was not far from where he was struck by a car. It would be beyond a slap in the face to that family to even consider taking out stop signs.

    http://www.riversideinfo.org/forum/topic.php?id=82&replies=22#post-906

    Posted Tuesday Mar 20, 2007 10:18 #
  10. Catherine
    Member

    Well, incredible.

    I have heard of the Delaplane issue before; I believe it is to get federal funding for the road to be treated as some kind of arterial to Harlem. That is what prompted me to ask before whether this was the reason Burlington - and Quincy for that matter - have so few stop signs. There have already been two fatal incidents involving children on Delaplane since I have been living here, not to say stop signs had anything to do with it, but perhaps its proximity to Harlem did. But, you cannot help people who will not help themselves. This issue has been out there for some time, but I have not heard any opposition to it from anyone who lives on Delaplane. One of the board members - perhaps the same one - was opposed to putting Slow signs near the childrens' play areas on Longcommon.

    Posted Tuesday Mar 20, 2007 10:18 #

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