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RESULTS in "to TIF or NOT to TIF !!!

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  1. KimJ
    Member

    Workshop IV results are in from the Saturday workshop.

    And the winner is...... NO TIF!!! (as usual)

    "As of Today, I expect to cast my vote in TIF Referendum"

    YES to TIF 10

    NO to TIF 24

    (not sure 6, must be the trustees, except Shields)

    More than double the people that voted said no to the TIF!

    Check out the rest of the "unscientific survey" on the website home main page under "What's New"

    http://www.riversideinfo.org/wp-content/uploads/WS4.1-DLK-results.pdf PDF
    http://www.riversideinfo.org/wp-content/uploads/WS4.1-DLK-results.xls Excel

    Posted Monday Feb 26, 2007 14:09 #

  2. EricSundstrom
    Member

    Just as I had a problem with the results of workshop 3, I'd say any result from these workshops while interesting are not scientific in nature due to make up of those attending the events. After the 1st part of the 2nd workshop a flier suddenly appeared attached to all the doorknobs of the homes and businesses on the south side of Burlington from Cowley to Longcommon. Copies of Mr Howard's max plan were included with the flier. The histrionic headline of the banner read something like this. They are planing to take you homes!!! Eminent domain!!! Show up to the workshop meeting and voice your concerns. With that kind of advertising I can assume many very worried people showed up with a lot of preconceived (thru disinformation) ideas. I'd say a crowd like that would be a bit skewed in its views on the matters at hand.

    Posted Monday Feb 26, 2007 15:25 #

  3. MikeT
    Member

    Is that Mr Jordan's plan that you are referring to? aka TJMax?

    That plan says it has the investors, it meets the B2 zoning requirements, it has a brochure, a power point, and the project owner is quoted in the paper saying that he is planning to remove the people on burlington by threat of eminent domain.

    All it needs is a TIF, he says.

    Is this information or disinformation?

    .
    Miket
    ps
    I was not aware of that flier thing, but someone seems to be thinking. whoever, pls tell me more at idicnews AT yahoo DOT com

    I have learned through hard experience that wierd things come from these workshops, and also: things like TIFs or Parking decks or VCs do not just pop up out of nowhere. I think, for all practical purposes, we are still just 4 Board votes away from the Mckenna TIF proposal - unless there is something that knocks it out of its trajectory. Just 4 votes to the expenditures shown in the following link - and these expenditures would not have even gone to a referendum (as the tunnel work had to go through: do you want to spend $4m for a tunnel repair, for example;)
    http://s93980653.onlinehome.us/revised.jpg

    Posted Monday Feb 26, 2007 15:32 #

  4. EricSundstrom
    Member

    Actually Mr Jordan's max plan is a pie in the sky plan with the majority of the area he'd like to develop lying OUTSIDE of the proposed tif zone. While interesting I think it was included in the vision workshop as a polar opposite to your do nothing plan. However, it was used to stir up the political pot by anti tif forces, claiming it to be something that was being seriously considered.

    Posted Monday Feb 26, 2007 15:52 #

  5. EricSundstrom
    Member

    Missed some thing. The CBD zoning area ends at the Roche Dieticians parking lot. Mr Jordan would have two zoning areas with different rules to deal with. Plus needing support for ED from the village board for an area outside the tif district.

    Posted Monday Feb 26, 2007 15:57 #

  6. ChrisHajer
    Member

    Eric, according to the map dated 11.22.06, the proposed TIF extends eastward all the way to Cowley. The Jordan plan is within the TIF district.

    Also, there were two houses east of Roche Dieticians on the displacement list, whatever the two addresses are just east of their parking lot on the south side of Burlington.

    11.22.06 map:
    http://www.riverside.il.us/vertical/Sites/%7B42F3B77D-FE50-43B3-96BF-EB06D8EB0A86%7D/uploads/%7B4F2027F1-7050-4A17-9832-695B4687021F%7D.PDF

    The proposed TIF area and the CBD zoning (B2?) area are two different things.

    Posted Monday Feb 26, 2007 16:02 #

  7. MikeT
    Member

    Considering all the difficult things we have to solve in the cbd such as cleaning it up from bad operators and filling retail vacancies there, I would think that a parking deck in a residential area to serve the two or three people who might need to park their car from the apt buildings in the Pine area, or to add ridership for Metra, would not be taken seriously in Riverside. We don't, after all - even with a TIF - have THAT much money to spend foolishly.

    But here we are with it as a planned expenditure when we asked what were the planned expenditures if we go with a tif. See link above for the chart.

    Yes, I did give the SMALL talk.

    I say, if we cannot do it right (smart and in scale),

    smart, scaled development
    http://www.riversideinfo.org/forum/topic.php?id=125&replies=7#post-1754

    http://www.riversideinfo.org/forum/topic.php?id=159&replies=1

    --then do it small.

    miket
    I love to dream big, too, like TJMax; but in Riverside's case, big is smaller, in scale, cotswold (library) kind of buildings with 'earthy' country materials and architectural details. chimneys, stone. more like eric's and less like VC's. Wouldn't such real country architecural costwold buidouts be a nice venue for a 'pub' or eating establishment in the cbd? (the goat on top of the roof is optional. :) ) THAT kind of thing would fit in to the Olmsted surround and would draw people here - and people would PAY bigtime to live here! Lincoln People have TLC and are looking for an Eden for it! Let's give them Eden and not Westchester East, or NorthRiverside South, or Berwyn West...

    Posted Monday Feb 26, 2007 16:03 #

  8. EricSundstrom
    Member

    OOPPPS my bad. I thought the tif district mirrored the CBD zoning District.WRONG. Self correcting mistake, once I went and refreshed my memory by looking at the tif map at the village website. the max plan still involves two zoning districts though.

    Posted Monday Feb 26, 2007 16:04 #

  9. ChrisHajer
    Member

    Eric - crossed messages :)

    The TIF does extend to Cowley, and Mr. Jordan has obviously spent a lot of money on his plans. I don't think he would spend his money lightly on something pie in the sky, but I could certainly be wrong about that.

    Posted Monday Feb 26, 2007 16:05 #

  10. MikeT
    Member

    a socratic moment.

    I still have an unanswered question to the Village admin on why residential areas are included in a TIF district that is charged to enliven the CBD.

    Posted Monday Feb 26, 2007 16:10 #

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