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51. Catherine
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    I think the new Village Board could be given a little more time than 3 months to come out with a plan for the CBD. The new trustees have said their intent was to attract businesses that meet the needs and desires of residents, and that additionally would speak to visitors we will get, it is to be hoped, when we "leverage the historical assets of our village", which was stated as a goal during the campaign.

    I know the sales tax is negligible, but it speaks to the complaint that the CBD does not pay its share of taxes. Personally, I think the town was designed with the intent the residents would do precisely what they are doing. But adding to the revenue of the businesses would certainly be great for all of us.

    "new"resident, you are quite free to disagree with me. It is the content, tone, and diction of your remarks that sounds old and familiar, which makes me doubt you are indeed new. Please try to stick to the topic.

    Posted Tuesday Aug 11, 2009 07:40 #

52. newriversider
    Member

    You are absolutely correct that we should stay on the topic at hand Catherine, (if that is your real name?) And lets start by you not obsessing whether or not I am a "new" resident...It really has no bearing on anything and quite frankly I'm tired of defending that.

    Posted Tuesday Aug 11, 2009 12:43 #

53. Catherine
    Member

    Again, nothing to say on the topic. Grow up.

    From another thread, our new designation by the White House as a Preserve America site:

    http://www.nps.gov/history/hps/hpg/PreserveAmerica/resources.html

    Gold in them there hills:

    http://www.nps.gov/history/heritageareas/rep/heritage.htm

    Posted Tuesday Aug 11, 2009 13:04 #

54. newriversider
    Member

    FULLY GROWN!!!!! ES and D!!!!!

    Posted Tuesday Aug 11, 2009 15:23 #

55. Fred
    Member

    Hate to interrupt a perfectly great fight, but the misunderstanding is illuminating. As Chris Robling ably repeated the oft cited "mistranslation" of Villae as Village vs Villae as Villas,ably points out the same view skew is at the heart of the disagreement. Ancient Romans weren't around in 1869 when the preliminary report was written. Nor were they around when someone penned the Latin motto. The ancient Romans used Latin for everyday usage. The concept of a "Village" did not exist in their time as significant groups of non-agricultural residents lived in fortified cities. The translation is not a statement of policy but merely a "best try" by some public servant who studied under the Jesuits in high school. The dredging up of this misunderstood "mistranslation" is illustrative of motive. What the "dredgers up" try to stress is the primacy of the "Villa" or home owners over the municpal authorities or "Village". The bottom line of this argument-Riverside is for the convenience of the residents and not for the benefit of commerce. Fair enough, but this doesn't square with any expectation of sales tax revenue from commerce. The idea of "fair share" of taxes from the CBD is nonsensical. Taxes are paid by real estate holders. The owners in the business district pay their property tax. If there are no sales, there is no sales tax. If someone chooses to buy property in the business district and produce no sales tax, it is not illegal. Dictating the limits of commerce restricts the possibility of sales tax. Fine, admit it. Choose to make up the difference with other revenue sources. Lease out the water tower and train station, raise property taxes, pass a TIF, whatever. Decrease Village services, privatize ambulance services, reduce police patrols, reduce snow plowing, whatever. What I would not recommend is to debate over what type of businesses you want when it really doesn't matter to the thread subject of revenues. And take it easy on the new residents. Newriversider may decide to run for office and would probably win.

    Posted Tuesday Aug 11, 2009 16:29 #

56. newriversider
    Member

    Thank you sir, a lady always appreciates CIVILITY.

    Posted Tuesday Aug 11, 2009 18:11 #

57. Catherine
    Member

    A lady? Would that be the person who just added "So GAY" to the tags? Do unto others.

    I hope grasp of the issues and contributions to and the desire to resolving them is still a prerequisite to office. At minimum, a desire to first understand them is a good reason to be on this forum.

    Speaking of civility, I think Robling was just correcting the translation. I often comment on writing. I don't think he had another agenda.

    Well, I agree the idea of fair share of taxes from the CBD is nonsensical. It is the argument of the old board, and many seemed to share their view. There is revenue from sales taxes, it never will be a lot, but greater than this is the concern for the CBD, and I think it is OK to go where the conversation leads without starting another thread every time. When businesses do well it drives up the value of property, which does increase real estate taxes. But, in the main, we just got off into a CBD discussion. I'm not one who thinks that's a problem.

    Posted Wednesday Aug 12, 2009 09:47 #

58. chrisrobling
    Member

    Thank you, Catherine, for noting that. I agree. I just went up and read "Fred's" post now. May I say I made that point only for accuracy's sake, so that all of us may be acquainted with what I understand to be the more correct translation. This to me is an end in itself.

    As for Fred's explication of "motive," I deny any of that applies to me.

    I believe in Riverside having an appropriate and contributing downtown that builds on our uniqueness, provides for residents, attracts visitors who are interested in Riverside's natural beauty and National Historic Landmark character, aka our land form and built form, and which proceeds based on an open, public, inclusive, disciplined and ongoing comprehensive plan process. I have distinguished between the Harlem and Ogden corridor and the downtown. I well understand the limits on sales tax revenue as a factor in our overall budgetary imbalance. I have said such and acted on this basis many many times here and elsewhere.

    I do not know what he or she is referring to.

    Posted Wednesday Aug 12, 2009 16:19 #

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