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  1. spatny
    Member

    Look - we spend more than we take in, so they maneuver around and make cuts to show a balanced budget. They have to offer a balanced budget. I don't see new businesses flocking to Riverside, or anywhere else, in the immediate future. Everybody wants the same thing - a bakery (or patissier if you will), a frindly restaurant perhaps serving pizza to eat-in and take out, etc. That is what everyone thinks will win the dollars of the residents. Then we come to the next tier of ideas, Starbucks, Crate& Barrel, a bookstore - but who will put up the cash for that? Wouldn't happen if Jesus Christ is on the Board. Architourism? Maybe a little, but cost of promotion could outweigh the money they will drop here. So no matter what - somewhere down the line taxes will rise.

    We have a Police Chief, a Fire Chief, a Finance Director, a DPW Director, a Village Manager, a Building Deparment guy, a Rec Director. - and the worker bees under each. One person wants a SWAT team, another wants a full-time fire department on each side of the tracks, and so it goes. Nobody wants to pay more taxes for what the other guy wants - just for his favorites. Consolidating services might eliminate some staffing - some overhead. Example - Rec had a $()K+ director and an assistant - but it cost the Village a lot. Let's say they have 5000 individual "customers" - participants, whatever. Take $200K and divide, you see what it costs per participant. Maybe it's cheaper to consolidate - maybe not. We have to look at all those things. Until people started complaining and questioning we were chipping in $200K - now it's half that. So does that equate to raising the participant costs just $5. per to make up the number of dollars lost? Is that unreasonable? Is it $10. a participant - this is what we need to find out. What's wrong with looking at alternatives that don't start with these are the people we have, they are wonderful, we need them, others won't do, the sky will fall if we change, etc.

    It's nice to accept grants for 80% of something, or 50% of something - if we can afford our share. If we can't, then maybe we should pass those opportunities by. Is that heresy? Right to the end Mr. Lesniak was campaigning for another $40K for Camiros to do another study -Here's one you can for nothing. Go to Harlem and 31st St. - walk south to Ogden, walk back. Ask yourself why a business owner would want to locate there, with that traffic, lack of parking, all the other aspects. I rest my case - it won't happen. Maybe if the VC fails, is bought for much less, the rent structure drops to a liveable level, someone will spend $250K plus - maybe $400K - to build out the space and open an eatery. The linguine and clams will still be pushing $20.00, beers "after they earn their spurs", will be $5. and it will be touch and go to make a living.

    I think we need to look at everything and lay off the high dollar investments, incentives, consultants, etc. Just to start. No sacred cows.There are thousands more people that will lose their jobs around here,and lots and lots of empty spaces to fill. Gorman didn't say we should get less experienced people, maybe people just as good who will take less because they have different priorities and want to work for a place like this. It's possible - after all we just hired a DPW guy for less than Hullihan cost. Somewhere on this site I listed over a million in stuff we spent that we didn't need to. This bunch were chasing different priorities - development, density, etc. It patently hasn't worked. Let somebody else go at it from a different perspective.

    Posted Monday Mar 16, 2009 16:50 #
  2. Catherine
    Member

    Chaos may make for interesting meetings, but I don’t know how responsible that is. Yes, meetings are boring, but inexperienced people who are running for office should have made a long-standing practice of attending lots of them. This is not the case with the two inexperienced candidates of RP.

    I would like to hear anything from RP: is it cut the budget, go for new taxes, both, either, neither? You can run but you can’t hide forever. Again, you have not stated a rational basis for your choice.

    First you make the budget maximally efficient. Then you deal with any remaining question of insufficient revenue. There is no such thing as a budget that cannot be cut further. But then you do get into service cuts. I think when people are convinced that the budget is at its maximal efficiency and what they have said by their votes is wasteful spending has stopped, they are capable as ever of rational choices.

    There is no such thing as a correct decision that is opposed by the majority at this level of politics except in theory. That is aristocracy in action, not democracy. Was the TIF correct or incorrect? You can’t have it both ways. The legal issues, political pressure, and pressure from the schools made the TIF untenable in the end, in addition to objectionable. Is it correct to threaten people with eminent domain? I don’t think so. But you are correct in this: whoever approves of what has been done should vote for more of the same. Or whatever, because RP has not said what they will do about the budget, unlike the present board.

    Presumably you were uncomfortable then with the decisions to hire our village manager and DPW director. She was hired from an assistant manager position, he is less credentialed and earns at least 9K less than his predecessor. Obviously the determination was made that the skill set that once was required is not now. There are qualified persons out there looking for jobs. Salaries are competitive. We have all in our careers had to roll with these punches. But you already know this is a canard. At least you have not invoked the “entry level staff” mantra.

    The droning about the top-down budget audit is another canard. It simply means that unlike the current budget cuts, which were confined to low level staffers, there will be no sacred cows. I have heard complaints from villagers that the staff is top-heavy. We are all familiar with this phenomenon in many organizations. People must be convinced this is not true, or no longer true, before any new revenue will be forthcoming.

    Very major expenditures that are discretionary are well put to referendum, such as the pedestrian tunnel. What is necessary for the structural integrity of the infrastructure leaves no choice.

    I don't know why you think it is the government's job to identify businesses for the CBD. The empirical data we have from the 2005 NIU survey says people want food: take-out, grocery, and restaurants, and feel underserved. There are numerous successful businesses in Riverside: Riverside Garage, Riverside Foods, Chew Chew, Jem, Moda Salon, Minute Man, etc. If you offer what people want, they will come. If you ignore the market, they won't. But I am sure that since RCA has actual businessmen on its ticket, they will have more intelligent thoughts than mine on the topic. The present board did not focus on businesses, but on development. People wanted businesses, not expensive condos. The was no market demand for the latter, and you see the result.

    Posted Tuesday Mar 17, 2009 09:14 #
  3. JohnM
    Member

    Catherine,

    I think my choice is rational. I disagree with the RCA view that we can avoid the projected deficit by cutting the budget, and---if that doesn't do it--by spending our reserves. You may not find this viewpoint rational, but that's life--our brains are not all wired in the same way.

    With respect to some of your other points:

    I am not at all uncomfortable with the village manager or director of public works being hired from assistant positions. What I am uncomfortable with is the RCA's implication that we have over-paid, over-experienced staff. I just don't think it's the case. Likewise, I disagree with your contention that the village staff is top-heavy. Is there a readily-accesible source that provides information on every position in the Village? I know this is published in one of the newspapers once a year--is it archived anywhere? With that said, I am intrigued by the RCA's idea of making the head of Forestry a department head position, although that would, presumably, make the staff even more top-heavy.

    I don't believe it is the government's job to identify businesses for the CBD. However, I think that one can tell a lot by the answers. If, for example, one candidate states that food-based businesses are needed (and, you and I do agree on this), while another says she'd like to see a bookstore, a clothing store and high-end boutiques, I'd have a much better sense of who is, at the very least, being realistic.

    Finally, depending on your definition, I'm not sure that the RCA has more than 1 "businessman" on the ticket--Reynolds. Gorman is a retired attorney, Shevitz works for a marketing company, and Sacchi is a property owner and manager (Sacchi may fit your criteria, but I don't know how extensive his real estate interests are--if it's one building, I'd say no, if it's 20, I'd say yes). I think some small-business experience is good, though, and I think an argument can be made that this viewpoint would be useful on the Board.

    Posted Tuesday Mar 17, 2009 11:05 #
  4. Fred
    Member

    Scaling back the credentials/pay of the staff is a hit and miss proposition. You can ratchet down the qualifications and compensation of key staff until something goes wrong. Hopefully the "thing that breaks" will not be critical. Desperate times may call for desperate measures. There does seem to be a penchant towards new elected leadership with new staff leadership. If the staff actually has become "stale" it may be a good thing. If there is some control play going on, it could be an organizational set back. The whole assumption of defined benefit programs is that there is inherent worth in 'tacit' or institutional knowledge. Even the union personnel could take on a cut your best deal philosophy if the over-riding criteria for filling positions is lowest cost. How does one judge 'best value' in the public sector?

    Posted Tuesday Mar 17, 2009 11:28 #
  5. Catherine
    Member

    No, you haven't answered the question of what the RP intends to do about the budget. Your choice is not rational. You accept we have a projected deficit, and you are voting for people who have no stated solution. That is irresponsible.

    I asked them several weeks ago why they did not schedule a Town Hall like RCA did, present themselves and their positions, and take all questions. The answer I got was that they could be seen at the debate.

    No, I did not contend our village was top-heavy. I said this is often the case in organizations, and it is rational to look at it. Likewise, you are attacking another position not taken, a typical RF tactic. They have not implied we have overpaid, overexperienced staff. The Board implied this when they replaced Hullihan. The RCA is willing to look at it. The Long Term Finance Committee majority did not.

    The suggestion is Forestry report to DPW so, again, falsely stated.

    Who is the she who wants boutiques, a bookstore and high-end clothing? We have a market history here in Riverside: what works and what doesn't. The money is there: meet the market or get weeded out, just like everywhere else. That's the only opinion that counts.

    Reynolds, Saachi and Shevitz are experienced business-owners. Once again, you do not have the facts. Gorman has worked for high-profile businesses, not the government. That is a whole different point of view, I assure you.

    Posted Tuesday Mar 17, 2009 11:32 #
  6. Fred
    Member

    From Landmark 3/10/2009:

    A new idea coming from the RCA camp, echoed by both Shevitz and Sacchi, was the notion of creating an autonomous forestry department reporting directly to the village manager instead of to public works. No one suggested a method of funding that change or what the financial implications might be.

    Was this a misquote?

    Posted Tuesday Mar 17, 2009 11:52 #
  7. Catherine
    Member

    Well, what we do have is two versions. My recollection is from the last debate. I take it the upshot is that improvements need to be made on the Forestry function as we have 2 deadly enemies coming aside from Dutch elm. I wrote to the Landmark about this last summer, followed by an article from the forester. It certainly cannot continue to sit in the back of the bus as usual under these circumstances. If you don't care about trees per se, you should care about their impact on your property values, the sine qua non of government financing.

    But not to defocus, the prime question of the campaign is the budget. The RCA has stated they intend to look for efficiencies in the budget. The RP said budget cuts equate with service cuts. So they apparently are unwilling to cut the budget. Yet they have not identified a source of revenue. So, no budget cuts, no new taxes, and a budget deficit. What is wrong with this picture? I mean, really. This is not tenable.

    Posted Tuesday Mar 17, 2009 12:03 #
  8. JohnM
    Member

    Catherine,

    Your charm and fun-loving nature shines through your every post.

    To take your points in order:

    1) I believe that the RCA's approach to the projected budget deficit is incorrect. While I am concerned that the RP has not specifically articulated what their plans are, I am more concerned with what the RCA has stated they will do. Therefore, to my mind, a rational choice. You are free to disagree, but I don't really care if you don't think I'm rational.

    2) You are correct. You did not state that our village was top heavy. You stated you had heard complaints from villagers to that effect. Therefore, I retract my earlier statement and revise as follows: "I disagree with the contention of the people that Catherine talked to that the village is top heavy."

    3) No. You are wrong here. The suggestion, as put forward by Messrs. Sacchi and Shevitz at the March 4th Forum, and as described in the 3/10/09 Landmark, was to create an autonomous forestry department reporting directly to the village manager instead of to public works. I actually think this is a good idea, so I'm sure you would think it a bad one.

    4) I don't know that anyone wants boutiques, a bookstore and high-end clothing. It was an example. You should have been able to tell that because I wrote "for example." I will try to be more clear in the future.

    5) I do have the facts, Catherine--they are public knowledge. I noted that Reynolds is a business owner. Saachi retired from his business in 1992, and now owns and manages property (per the RCA website). Shevitz ran his own business--he does not anymore. (Again, per the RCA website.) Gorman worked for high-profile businesses--as an attorney and as (I think) a compliance/data integrity exec. I am not trying to diminish their accomplishments--I think they are all smart, capable guys, and of the 2 I have met, I like them on a personal level. However, I think your definition of "businessman" may be a bit broader than mine.

    Posted Tuesday Mar 17, 2009 12:06 #
  9. spatny
    Member

    For the record: The idea was that the FORESTER report to the Village Manager - rather than to the head of DPW. In the past there were times when the Forester (and the LAC) thought one way about something but the DPW Director - when that was Hullihan - was the guy that brought that decision to the Village Manager, and brought back the decision. Mike Collins is a smart guy and handles FORESTRY - but of course they heap a lot of other stuff on him. He does not have a large department - he sometimes has helpers. DPW has a quite different hat and lots of non-forestry stuff to do. I think the idea was that Mike would have someone on the Board who would deal with his work just as we do with all the other departments. Both Sacchi and Reynolds know a great deal about this aspect of our village. This would be a good realignment and hopefully streamline the process and add no cost to the mix.

    Posted Tuesday Mar 17, 2009 12:35 #
  10. Fred
    Member

    Catherine,

    You wrote:

    The RP said budget cuts equate with service cuts. So they apparently are unwilling to cut the budget. Yet they have not identified a source of revenue. So, no budget cuts, no new taxes, and a budget deficit. What is wrong with this picture?

    The fallacy of this logic is that the budget can be balanced with budget/service cuts as well as new revenue sources. No one, of either party, seems willing to identify either A) prioritized service cuts or B) potential revenue sources. Mr Gorman has at least remarked that continued short staffing of the Police Department is acceptable. For that I give him credit. I guess it is easier to break the inevitable bad news after being elected, but the chances of getting referenda passed, for either party, will be decreased if unrealistic expectations are germinated/perpetuated during the campaign.

    Posted Tuesday Mar 17, 2009 12:38 #

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