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  1. spatny
    Member

    Walking by the Village Center I thought how truly awful that building is, how overtall and outsized, what garbage detailing, how out of scale and place. And then I wondered how many people heading for the polls will know how many of their taxpayer dollars it cost them? Certainly north of a half million. I saw the coating peeling of the canopy and central section of the Water Tower, and hope that we have some recourse to have that repaired on someone else's dime. I saw the results of the "talk" our Village leaders had with Mr. Kafka about restoring his building. That certainly didn't do much.

    I saw the sad looking Arcade and thought about how it was so much busier and happier looking before our grand development scheme got involved with it, and I wondered if the TIF might somehow come back by calling that building "blighted." I saw the "Museum Campus" in soon to be "Centennial Plaza" and was happy that so many people came forward to stop the use of pavers on those streets and in front of the VC. Too bad they cut down that big Austrian Pine that would have made a beautiful single Christmas Tree instead of that tawdry line of little pines they erect every year so the local real estate agents can hang their listings and business cards on as "ornaments." You have to admit, that's taking the commercialization of Christmas to a new high - or low.

    I saw that awful looking bench set on that concrete flying saucer that was poured in the park near the library without a permit, and was promised to be removed and done correctly, and then wasn't. I saw those garish lights shining up the walls of the VC and wondered how overpowering that is going to be when the Water Tower lighting is installed. But then we really haven't done much in the way of enforcing our lighting codes.

    As I walked up Woodside with that glaring lamp from the church blasting into my eyes I though about what someone had told me yesterday. They felt that they had identified two of the most frequent pro-Caucus contributors on this site as candidates. I told them I doubted that, that those people wouldn't hide behind an alias, but they said they were sure... Well, I hope they are wrong. I just can't imagine being like that. Perhaps, when the election is over, maybe all those that have written here and elsewhere will want to step forward and give their real names. I hope so.

    Posted Sunday Apr 5, 2009 11:28 #
  2. commonsense
    Member

    What I see is quite different. Riverside is a magical place, always was, always will be. Riversiders are smart and down-to earth. We know each other, we watch out for one another, in good times and in bad. When I go walking at Swan Pond, I see young parents walking with their children, becoming part of the history of this place which is like no other. I hear church bells, and friendly conversation at Grumpys, Higgins, the Chew Chew, Jem, Riverside Garage - all over town. I see little girls walking out of the dance studio, giggling and happy. I see grandparents at Turtle park, glowing with delight pushing their dear ones on the swings. I look at the Watertower and see hope, not peeling paint. I hear the cheering of the crowd at a little league game when some kid got a hit.

    I'm sorry, Mr. Spatny it is sad that you don't see things through my eyes.

    I tell my friends about this place with pride and joy. Always did, always will.

    Posted Sunday Apr 5, 2009 14:33 #
  3. ChangeAgent
    Member

    Amen Commonsense. I don't know why some of the posters that have nothing good to say about Riverside choose to live here. Positive wins out over negative any day.

    Posted Sunday Apr 5, 2009 15:05 #
  4. commonsense
    Member

    I'll tell you one story. My spouse and I move here many years ago, as brand new parents with a newborn son. The first day I moved here, I was scared and excited to begin my life in this town I knew little about. I sat on the bench near the water tower with my 3 month old son, looked around, looked at the Watertower, looked at my newborn and said, "are we going to like it here?" He smiled. All these years later, I still go back to that bench, remember that day and think how lucky I am to live here. That son, along with his younger brother, grew up here. My boys are wonderful human beings with many friends, and this town part of them. Is it perfect? Maybe not. To me it is a small slice of heaven.

    Posted Sunday Apr 5, 2009 15:05 #
  5. spatny
    Member

    Well I do that too, but I don't like to see it ruined. I always describe it as an island of tranquility in a sea of mediocrity. All the things you describe are the product of the residents. I probably knew it before you did, when it was more wooded, when it didn't have those horrible electric streetlights, when the Arcade and the stores were full and thriving. What I described are the detrimental things that this administration has done or is doing to what you describe. I'm sorry that you don't have your eyes open enough to see what is happening right before them. Little by little it is being neglected and defaced by poor taste and the lack of enforcement of the maintenance codes and the bending of the rules for some. Drive around some night and take a look at how many places are installing non-conforming lighting. Look at how the understory has been removed from the plantings. Look at the holes where trees were and are no more. I know exactly what I'm looking at - and it needs help.

    Posted Sunday Apr 5, 2009 15:13 #
  6. idic5
    Member

    When I look at the two pairs of posts above, from commonsense and spatny, I see more similarities than differences. They obviously both like and care for Riverside. This, I think, will be the theme in everyone's thoughts as they vote on Tuesday.

    Posted Sunday Apr 5, 2009 15:26 #
  7. spatny
    Member

    And it deserves to be kept special, genuine. Not cluttered with junk. Not littered with trash. Not made into some fake-spmething like so many of the slums-of-tomorrow that surround us. Not crammed with condos. Not lit up like some tiny Disneyland. Not filled with franchised stores to sell junk food to people so that they cart it home and reheat it insted of cook in their "high-end" appliances. Mass-produced junk looks and tastes the same whether it is served on formica or granite. We have too many people that would salivate to have a row of that crap that was built in Burr Ridge running from the Water Tower to Harlem, andthey would clear the other side to provide parking so we could accommodate the crowds.

    FYI - The greater part of Riverside that you see on that General Plan that we are always showing was, of course, never built. The great park that was really more like Central Park was never built. Almost before this place got started, it failed, and most of the lots that Olmsted laid out were split. Because of the Fire in Chicago the carpenters that couldn't build there came here to work, and built some stately homes. The head of the Improvement Company wanted to use the Big Ball Park, which is not so big if you look at the map, as his lot for his home, and had to be dissuaded by argument and economics from doing so. Zoning was then and still should be enacted to protect the many from the few, but lately we are seeing that even after paying lots of dollars for a new zoning code it can rather easily be overcome when the Administration is salivating "to build something."

    Go back and sit on that bench and look at what these people allowed to be built downtown. Not just allowed - abetted - with your tax dollars. Perhaps our most important, most visible site and they subsidize and give incentives to get that? Shame on them. Look at than, then look across at the train station, at Central School, at the Water Tower and Well Houses, at all the surrounding structures. Does that fit? Is it beautiful? Elegant? Does it reek of quality? Is it even successful?

    Olmsted designed this place to have larger setbacks and smaller, curvilinear roads that were sunken rand had stone gutters so they would not be divisive to the view. He planted artful clumps and groupings that destroyed the boundaries between public and private land. There were to be no fences. These and a hundred more careful details were incorporated into the design.

    The CBD was to be a place where the immediate and day-to-day needs of the residents could be obtained. It is only because a few permitted uses were grandfathered for the present owners that you can get your car serviced here anymore. Frank Martin's service station down on Deleplains is now townhouses of dubious merit - and not just to me. Riverside Garage, where I washed cars, pumped gas and learned to fix them for the Henderson Brothers was not slated to remain on the TOD study as new "higher uses" were penciled in. Do you think that there is a single property owner on Burlington, or in the entire CBD for that matter, that doesn't think his property should also be zoned for four stories?

    Wouldn't it just be jolly to have a multi-level parking facility on Pine to accommodate the commuter traffic that could access it through the new "western approach" tunnel that is still lurking out there. Why that will make Pine Street a perfect place to zone for four stories for TIF-incentive-ized developers to pack those 100 or 200 condos we were told to build "as soon as you can" in the this-Board-adopted TOD. And while we're at it, we can do Forest too - then we can rent them parking in the new garage. Perfect - except - "Where did Riverside go? You know, that sleepy little place that was right around here somewhere."

    "Oh that. They paved it over."

    Just like another Board wasn't able to put together a coalition of forces to save the Babson Estate - 28 acres, part still forested, right in our midst with a landmark, world famous home by Louis Sullivan. Offered to the Village for $1. Andthat Board couldn't figure out how to do it - so instead it was sold to a developer who built 15 or 20 similar homes - our first tract development! The same Board did nothing to impede the cutting up and building on the Coonley Estate. Thank God that it finally has the right owners.

    I've seen what happens - right here and in dozens of other historical or sensitive/vulnerable places where people who want to "build something" have destroyed what was real and genuine. I can't change the world, or even curtail this trend, but I will resist the ones that try and do it here. Relentlessly. Tenaciously. And for those of you with sufficient gray-matter to understand - that is not negativism. It may not be popular with someone who wants a parking place, right now, right here, or a drive-through whatever so he doesn't have to get out of his car to consume, but it is pro-active positivism. The trees I donate today will never be large enough for me to sit under them and their enjoy their shade in my lifetime, but your kids, and kids not yet born, will be able to do so. So I don't need any lectures from small people that don't have the guts to sign their name to what they write.

    Posted Sunday Apr 5, 2009 17:34 #
  8. Cindy Vitek
    Member

    Oh, Mr. Spatney. I have read this forum since it began, but I have never felt so moved to post. I applaud your efforts to make Riverside a better place for all of us to enjoy, but I am troubled by the negativity of your postings and the implication that anyone who sees your comments as negative is lacking in intelligence. I moved to Riverside with my family in 1986 when I was thirteen years old. I am a proud graduate of RBHS. After my husband and I were married in 1995 in St. Mary's Church and had our first child in 2001, we returned to Riverside to raise our family and we will continue to stay here in this little slice of heaven. We are active members of the community and give countless hours of volunteer time to various organizations. Our children are blissfully happy in Riverside schools. I agree that Riverside isn't perfect, but Mr. Spatney, I prefer not to look at the glass as half empty. I love that I know the names of nearly everyone I see in town; I love the turtle in Turtle Park; I love Patriot Park; I love the 3rd and 4th of July festivities; I love that I can fulfill all of my family's needs right here - from art lessons and Little League to groceries and dental appointments. We are thrilled to call this remarkable place home. I hear what you are saying about overdevelopment and I truly don't believe that any candidate currently running for office sincerely wants our town to be parking garages and empty developments.

    Mr. Spatney, the next time I see you picking up trash around Central School, I'll grab a bag and help. Maybe after we finish we can go to Grumpy's for ice cream and a chat about everything that's good in this town.

    Commonsense, you sound like my kind of person. I hope that we will meet soon. I know that we will be friends.

    Posted Sunday Apr 5, 2009 22:20 #
  9. spatny
    Member

    Cindy - no "e" in my name. Attention to detail.

    Chatting about what's good is what I often do, but what is good about Riverside is being whittled away all too quickly. am comparing it to the way it was 50 years ago - you have been living here and don't see the incremental nudges that add up to important changes. My argument is not with how you or someone wants to live your lifestyle, you sound very nice, the kind of person this place needs. My argument is with the priorities of the sitting Board and, it seems, the new candidates that say they want more of the same. Saying it's great here is fine, but it needs protection and nurturing or it will be gone in a heartbeat. I've seen it happen in places in California that are further upscale than this place.

    People used to come her because it was what it was - peaceful, tranquil, green and an oasis of peace (comparatively.) Home prices and taxes were a lot lower then the North Shore or Hinsdale, th schools were good, it was a quick commute, they felt safe, etc. Then it was "discovered." People (and developers) bought in with the idea that it would appreciate like those other places, and for a while it did. So people started in on tear downs to make even more money, because a lot of the old houses were too hard to alter for modern taste. Then we got people that came in to build purely on spec, never cared to live here. Then we got "development" from people who thought they would really score, and the Village Board went along for the ride. Now look what we have - that awful, almost empty and failing monster in our midst and the Arcade in distress, ground floor businesses filled with non-retail offices. Saying that is not negative, it's keeping your eyes open.

    We used to be taught when you cross the street, you have to stop, look, listen. When you go in the library you lower your voice. Now it's full of adults talking on their cell phones. You're vested here, home & family - good for you and good for Riverside. Of course I come from a different perspective, a different generation - more likely two generations away from you. So of course we have different perceptions and experiences. My mother was at home until I was nine, then my father dies and she was in our business - a pharmacy, So I grew up more independent, had to be more self sufficient. So I see things differently. That doesn't mean I'm wrong... or that you are.

    But I know the difference between concrete and trees. I've built homes, businesses, had winners and losers, seen a lot of the world. I could have stayed in CA or come here or gone anywhere I want. I chose to come here, and when here I was very surprised by how much it was the same and how much had changed. Same provincial attitude, a lot fewer trees. More signs, more trains. No darkness. I live next to the schools so I see and talk to kids everyday. I think I know what is happening here and I think I called it correctly. Mark my words, this year and the next one will be a great sorting out. The country needs it and has it coming. People will need to lower their expectations, moneywise. The car dealers are already folding in Berwyn, in Countryside, and there will be a lot more business and personal failures. Here too. So we need to concentrate our resources where they will do the most good. Not squander them as they have been on foolish initiatives and enterprises. I wish you the best. I wish the old Grill-Ette was still going in the Arcade so we could meet there - you would have liked that place... like something out of a movie - but real. Take care...

    Posted Sunday Apr 5, 2009 23:07 #
  10. CuriousResident
    Member

    As someone that is disappointed by the overall lack of decorum displayed, I find it ironic that folks that paint Spatny as a "grumpy old man" and can't seem to hear the valuable parts of what he is saying.

    He points at and talks about the "pink elephant" in the room~

    IMO, doing so is not a personal affront, nor overly negative. IF it wasn't what it is there would be nothing to point at~

    Granted if his points were 'nit picky' and/or formed as personal character attacks, then he may deserve the GOM paint job. I'm no cheerleader for him, or anyone else, but I simply do not hear him that way.

    Taking issue with and focusing on his delivery is distracting from the actual issues.

    Move the emotion to the side and use your logic. Are his arguments on target or not? If not, ignore them or disprove them. When/where he is off base, it really shouldn't be that difficult to disprove (pink elephants).

    Posted Monday Apr 6, 2009 09:04 #

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