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Toward an ROD: How do you want Riverside to look?

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  • Started 5 years ago by MikeTomecek
  • Latest reply from Catherine
  1. MikeT
    Member

    Taking Mr Pollock's cue in another conversation in this space, I wanted to start this thread on the 're-visioning of Riverside'.

    Although CBD redevelopment is on the table now, in this thread we can think Riverside-wide if you so desire. From Harlem to the area west of 1st. From 26th st to Ogden.

    Here are some starting remarks:

    When I came to Riverside 18 years ago, I was awestruck by Olmsted's landscape. I gave the town four stars before reading the reviews (before I knew it was a NAT'l Historic Landmark). The center of town was just as good with the Library, TownHall, the river, Guthrie Park, the Tower, the Arcade, central school, Episcopal Church, the Dentist, and the corner Antique shop :(.

    However, one thing that did not fit in with this 4 star landscape, to me, was the one block of Burlington, north and south sides, starting with Henninger and ending around the PO. It looked like whoever did this development had no sense of place. It looked cheap and done with expediency in mind instead of fitting in with what was already started. It was tract-like instead of filled with personality. The lines were straight and boxlike whereas all around were severe angles and real gables...and charm.

    So I believe the CBD should be charming, as distinctly charming and detailed as a Hollywood storybook village set. It should have the look and feel of the Library and the other buildings I cited. It should have the look and feel like —˜Willoughby' in The Twilight Zone. Down to the sidewalks, which should be old timey and paver. Yes, god is in the details.

    Lest you think we want to be some pure artificial Hollywood set, the other part of the vision I have of Riverside is that it should lead communities around the world in living rightly in the 21st century. Olmsted reacted to the Industrial revolution of the 19th century. At his time there was a movement from the country to the city. He saw that people have a need, a spiritual need, for the open green space and the soft curving lines that the country provides.

    As we continue even more technological complexity in the 21 st century, Olmsted's vision is all the more needed and we have to nourish it, expose it, and polish it. in addition to the spiritual need , there is a physical need for the country. Obesity, diabetes, cancer, cardiovascular disease are among the products of this technological advancement

    So we need to accent the Olmsted country life. More walking. Better pedways. More bikes and bikepaths. Less cars. Pedestrian underpass on the east AND on the west of Longcommon. Bike shops. Coffee/tea shops. Hey, how about Wifi in centennial park.. How about horses, and trolleys. International tourism. Think big. Have a Olmsted Day or month. Use the triangular parks as he envisioned them. A classless utilitarian notion of people from all walks of like playing and conversing about the topics of the day.

    People will come to Riverside like people go to Mackinaw Island. BOLDLY Take the —˜urban oasis' into more than a manner of speaking. People will want to come here, to BE here, to feel this place. We have to lead them here. We need a PR firm as much as infrastructural work. We're different already. accent our different ness.

    When you survey Riverside, one can see the original plan and goods, and one can see where there were 're-development junctures'. One can productively draw lessons with —˜good development' and not so good development. Obviously, we do not want to make the same mistake again, and we want to replicate good development when we see it. This is why we should step back and vision.

    I guess one of the first such junctures was the acquisition of the Weisencraft farm into Riverside 20 some odd years after Olmsted created his masterpiece. It is interesting to see how the people in charge then did this development.

    Did they follow the place that Olmsted set up? Did they draw curvilinear street lines with large lots, triangular parks, and front spaces to accent the sense of green space? No, that would mean we could not get as many people / pin's packed into the same area (I am guessing). They followed/made Berwyn-west. standard rectilinear lines, smaller lots.

    Then another redevelopment juncture occurred when the huge mutlifamiliy properties were built in this century. They took this high density to a steroid level, and COMPLETLEY lost the Olmsted vision. They seemed to want to cram as many people as they could. I am guessing it must have been an economic thing. The Kafka building, however, DID fit in nicely in that central part of town. With its bas relief, slate roof, strong angles and red brick.

    But one building that stands out as a veritable model of redevelopment for us now is the LIBRARY. It also was done around the time as the mutlifamily developments were built in the 20th, and not 19th, century. Money and economics had to be really important when it was built (1930) right after the stock market crash. So they had the usual excuses - just as Olmsted had when he did Riverside in 1869 - and just as developers do today.

    But look at the library with its Cotswold charm, style, scale, detail, building materials, lines, along with how they boldly put it on maybe the best spot in the village. Charm, personality, boldness, creativity. Hollywood set.

    So in the future, for re-development, look- to-the-Library as our model and inspiration! Do it right!

    I believe that strong architecture that follows what we already have here is the foundation of revitalizing the cbd, and getting it like its Olmsted sister space.

    Posted Tuesday Dec 12, 2006 18:40 #
  2. ChrisHajer
    Member

    Mike, I've read your post several times. What is an ROD? Riverside Oriented Development?

    Posted Wednesday Dec 13, 2006 02:07 #
  3. MikeT
    Member

    Yes. I forgot to explain that in the post. My bad. Sorry. I wish I could edit it. Thanks for picking that up, Chris.
     
    I believe we need to get to an ROD, which stands for RIVERSIDE Oriented Development from the TOD, which was almost fully funded by Metra and stands for TRANSIT Oriented Development. BTW, to be clear, an ROD does NOT exist right now, which is one of the problems with the current tiff. ROD is a term I invented.
     
    Multistory parking garages next to Metra train stations are a reasonable product from a TRANSIT Oriented development study.
     
    To Metra, we are just another town along the BNSF train line, an opportunity for ridership. The assumption is that such an increase in ridership is also beneficial to the community. Not necessarily.
     
    Riverside is very different than anything I have seen. One reason I choose to live here. It has personality and is unique. So I think that we really want to accent these differences, this uniqueness. Quickly, it is small and rural-like in a huge urban area and it has great schools. It is quaint and charming. It has natural gas lamps, soft light that does not really provide adequate light from a practical point of view, but gives a light,  and a feeling, that is suggests take-it-easy, like Willoughby in the Twilight ZOne, 'where a man can slow down to a walk and live his life full measure'. The same for the roads too - impractical (hey, they do not satisfy federal  criteria for funding!), but it is Riverside.
     
    http://tzone.the-croc.com/tzeplist/willoughby.html
     
    As long as I am here...
    ..we need a place we can bring our families for pizza (I forgot to say that bit of vision :) ).
     
    and the final note that is implied: we need to be PATIENT to do dev right rather than to do ANYthing. That is a part of doing a disciplined visioning-planning approach first.
     
    I am guessing that is what happened with Henninger. It WAS sitting there awhile empty, so THAT may have been an animus in how it came out (ANYthing is better than what was there).
     
    How close does the VC size up to the library that I trotted out as a development standard in terms of fitting in to the surrounding  area, drinking in the light, style, proportion, detail, building materials? 
     
    My house, 56 Pine, a short shot from the VC, has the exact orientation as the VC. The 1880s architect of my house chose to put in two story bay windows on the east and on the south sides with 6 x 3 foot windows and 9.5 foot ceilings. The light my house takes in, especially this time of year when the sun is lower over the south, is extraordinary, and one of the reasons I have stayed there for 18 years and want to continue to stay there. Our cat knows this light, too. Maybe I should bring him to the next Village board meeting to provide testimony as we plead for our house?  
     
    It is ironic and emblematic of this current exercise that they would demolish this fine example of the  ' Willoughby charm' and welcoming-ness for a 4-5 story concrete parking garage. For revenue, for EAV, ridership? something like that. My brother in law, a participant of many a happy party in that happy house, after hearing that the village wanted our house, asked, 'for what? a village welcome center?'
     
    1000's of people go by this house each day  on the train. 56 Pine is smack dab in Riverside's front yard to them. Don't you think they should see this old time charm and quaintness, an expression of what the real Riverside is?
     
    We need reminders to remember what we are.
     
    mike

    Posted Wednesday Dec 13, 2006 10:40 #
  4. Catherine
    Member

    Mike, the straight streets were designed by Olmsted to run along the tracks and have the houses of railworkers and servants.  You can see it would be difficult to have curvilinear streets along the tracks.  Many people also think East, Pine, West, Forest and Kimbark are ugly, but there they are!  (Save your lovely house, of course, and I know the oldest house in town is there.)  Some or all of Quincy and Burlington may be part of the historic district anyway, for that reason.  I say all this because I LIVE on Burlington!, and I'm sorry to say, in a building that is quite ugly!  Alas, no other condos were available when I was shopping.  I HAVE planted trees in front of it.  Anyway, Burlington and Quincy I think are suited to low rise buildings, in keeping with the prairie vision, and so that the Water Tower will remain visible.  That said, I confess I myself avoid walking down Burlington or Quincy toward the center because I find them ugly.
     
    The only good 20th century architecture is early 20th century, although personally I think the guy who designed 313 Scottswood [stone building, red trim] did a great job of modern architecture that incorporates and reinterprets the past.  I don't think one can copy the past and not become cutesy.
     
    Do we have control over the other side of the Riverbank?  I would love to see those woods kept clear of scary people and the pathway maintained so it could be walked through.  As to a hotel there at the old DPW, I understand there was originally one there.
     
    Not only design, but materials are a big problem in contemporary architecture.  I think a liberal use of sandstone and limestone would be good for downtown.
     
    As to Henninger's owner, he left it like that on purpose to leverage the town into changing the ordinance restricting building height so he could sell to a developer at a higher price.  Three more stories to go now.
     
    More creative use could be made of parking presently available.  More thought could be given to the kind of shops we try to attract.  Some have no problem getting business.  I would go to a small high-end food shop myself, in addition to Riverside Foods.
     
    I will think more about your question.

    Posted Wednesday Dec 13, 2006 11:45 #
  5. ChrisHajer
    Member

    Mike, I like the pizza place idea, and although Heavenly Hot Dogs has pizza and delivery now, it doesn't strike me as a family sit down pizza restaurant.

    Posted Wednesday Dec 13, 2006 13:32 #
  6. Catherine
    Member

    Also, lots of ivy covers a multitude of sins! If the new masonry is strong, it would be no problem. A native northern Illinois variety, of course.

    I should say "that is my understanding of what the Henninger owner did".

    The Village has the idea of a trolley between here and Oak Park for architectural visitors. That would be better than a Pace bus and could be done with charm.

    Thank you for starting this thread.

    Posted Wednesday Dec 13, 2006 15:46 #
  7. KimJacobs
    Member

    First of all, after reading all the above, I must say that good architecture is good architecture, period. I have a neighbor that HATES everything modern. I happen to know someone, very personally, that detests bi-levels. And then there is the individual that would tear down a Queen Anne Victorian and put up a parking garage. Everyone has an opinion. But I would like to ask, has anyone here been to Peggy Notebaert, The Gateway Arch in St. Louis, Farnsworth House, etc., and I could really go on all day. These are amazing examples of "modern" architecture. It is for 'today' not yesterday. One does not need a porte-cochere any longer, like they do not need crinoline and cravats. It drives me crazy that people put up pretend bldgs. Build for today, todays functions and beliefs, not a pretend yesterday with a pretend staged living room that no one uses. Go modern! Put out the call globally to the best architects in the world, the Pritzker types, a competition! Then, if we build it, THEY will come. This village needs a BIG vision.......... OR, we could simply offer incentives to bldg owners in the CBD to clean up their odd facades. Plant something in their square dirt patches (or charge them if the village does it for them.) Have some kind of zoning about the kind of signage a store needs, not paper tacked to the bldg, or neon. Fine and sue, go after slumlords like we should! And then, scrimp, save, TAX, for the additional paths over the tracks for pedestrians. I for one, would love to see a pedestrian crossing W. of the swim club. (Which has nothing to do with the CBD) but I watch the RB students cutting across the tracks there every day! One child was lost already, over 6 years ago, and NOTHING has been done to remedy that! Ridiculous!

    Posted Wednesday Dec 13, 2006 18:58 #
  8. Catherine
    Member

    Well said. Farnsworth House is early 20th century though, is it not? I actually like the new stage down at Milennium Park, but it will take wisdom and taste to incorporate post-modern (contemporary) architecture. I agree with the idea of competitive bids for an architectural firm to oversee all new building. I like fathertime's idea under "Expert Help" to engage the National Olmsted Society and local architects who love Riverside. I repeat my point that a lot of the lack of humanity in modern and post-modern architecture is owing to the use of non-natural materials, and encourage the use of native sandstone and limestone for facade purposes. Brickface just doesn't cut it. I agree we cannot copy the past, alas. I agree ordinances should be enforced or passed as to the streetfront presentation of existing businesses in the meantime.

    Posted Thursday Dec 14, 2006 09:03 #
  9. MikeT
    Member

    From Emersonian Transcendentalism to pizza in 05 seconds....yes, the pizza place I am thinking is not a lunch time carry out, and not a schmancy Bacinos with candles, but a more informal place, big and familiar enough to hold the kids (teams) after the baseball and soccer games as well as families.

    who's game enough to start one up? Anyone know how to make pizza?

    Posted Thursday Dec 14, 2006 13:30 #
  10. ChrisHajer
    Member

    Some place more like Ledo's Pizza in LaGrange, Danny's Pizza on Archer at Menard in Chicago, the Original Home Run Inn on 31st St in Chicago or the place that used to be on Harlem Ave in Summit (man, I forget the name of that place.) I know exactly what you mean.

    And I worked in a pizza place when I was 16: does that qualify me to run a pizza restaurant?

    Man, I'm hungry. I just had to order pizza from a place in Brookfield!

    UPDATE: 6:30PM - it was terrible. We need our own here in Riverside.

    Posted Thursday Dec 14, 2006 16:56 #

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