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What do you think about the Referendum/Petition?

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  1. DouglasPollock
    Member

    EDIT: This post was moved from another thread, so if Doug's comments make no sense, please blame us, not Doug. The original thread is here if you'd like to put these comments into context:
    http://www.riversideinfo.org/forum/topic.php?id=16

    Chris, I believe that we are on the same page. Part of the problem with this type of communication is that it is sometimes difficult to assess the tone of someone's posting. I always re-read my postings after the fact and often think, "I hope that is not interpreted differently from what I intended." I have to admit that my opening remarks in the last posting, upon re-reading it again, may have come across as somewhat condescending. That was not intended and I apologize to all.

    Here is my most immediate concern now: All of the above comments confirm my original opinion that we need to revisit downtown planning. I just received an email regarding a petition to ask the Village to place an advisory referendum on the ballot asking something to the affect of: "Should Riverside use TIF or not." If we revisit the downtown plan (i.e. create a new plan), we may find that a limited TIF is appropriate. The proposed referendum would tie our hands. Without a TIF, we have very little means to implement any recommendations from a downtown plan. ONce again, the limited TIF as I have previously defined it, would essentially be taking only the incremental tax dollars from larger taxing districts (Cook Co, MWRD, etc) and re-investing them into downtown Riverside. With committments not to use eminent domain, not to sell bonds, and to reimburse our schools, why not TIF?

    I realize that this string is about creating a new downtown plan and not about TIF. But if we do not have the option of a limited TIF, a new downtown plan may become one of those proverbial city planning documents that sits on a shelf and collects dust.

    Please, let's hold off on any petitions that broadly reject TIF as a tool for our Village. Let's see what we can do to convince the Board to revisit downtown planning, and then we can consider the appropriateness of a limited TIF. How about a petition asking the Village Board to create a new downtown planning process? If the Board rejects that recommendation, then let's move forward with a petition against TIF.

    Posted Thursday Dec 14, 2006 21:57 #
  2. fathertime
    Member

    The petition does not, in and of itself, reject the TIF. It simply places the choice on the ballot and gives voters the right to decide whether or not they want one in Riverside. It would seem that we all would want to weigh-in on a choice that will affect our Village for years to come.

    Jim Reynolds

    Posted Friday Dec 15, 2006 07:17 #
  3. TJS
    Member

    Jim is correct. The advisory referendum that is being pursued is asking the residents of Riverside their opinion of a TIF for Riverside. Should Riverside establish a TIF, YES or NO. It is vital that the residents of Riverside have their opinion heard on this topic.

    Terry

    Posted Friday Dec 15, 2006 07:44 #
  4. DougPollock
    Member

    I understand fully the nature of the petition and the proposed advisory referendum. But I believe the question is much more nuanced than can be reflected in a referendum. It is extremely unfair to the voters to ask simply; TIF, yes or no; when there are as many ways to use TIF as there are ideas on what our downtown should be. For example, I support a conditional TIF that reimburses our schools 100%. I do not support a TIF that fails to reimburse our schools. The referendum does not allow me to express that conditional support.

    A similar thing just happened on the vote for the "$4 million tunnel". How was I to vote? I believe it's a waste a money to spend anything on the existing tunnel but I also believe my children should be able to walk or bike to school without having to cross over the railroad tracks. The denial of this referendum has been widely interpreted to mean that the Village residents do not support the need for a pedestrian undperpass. I think that is unfair.

    I do not want to come off as if I do not support public participation. My career and my livelihood is based on effective citizen particapation. But the responsibilities of democracy demand more involved citizen participation. You cannot effectively decide the future of our Village simply with a thumbs up or thumbs down vote on one issue. It is unfair to the residents of our Village.

    Posted Friday Dec 15, 2006 08:33 #
  5. ChrisHajer
    Member

    Doug, you said "The proposed referendum would tie our hands." As it's just an advisory referendum, it doesn't really tie anyone's hands, it's just a tool to communicate to the Village Trustees the opinion of the residents of Riverside. The Trustees are free to vote on the proposed ordinance as they see fit.

    The question that would be placed on the ballot is "Shall the Village of Riverside establish a Tax Increment Financing (TIF) District?" I agree that it's more nuanced than that, as was the issue of the tunnel.

    Posted Friday Dec 15, 2006 09:42 #
  6. KimJacobs
    Member

    The referendum is only asking people their opinion. The Village trustees can enact a TIF regardless of the outcome of the election. This is not about a fantasy TIF in the future, it is about today.

    We all want an infinitely more detailed plan, private homes and parkland removed from the boundaries completely. Should a TIF tool be chosen, we want the schools reimbursed in FULL, and it to be funded 'pay as you go.' When the village manages to get all of this lined up, I would be happy to vote on it again.

    The underlying fact of TIF is that the money is used to entice developers to come, and should it NOT be successful, WE will pay. What makes us different than Oak Park? Why would a TIF work here and not there? I DEMAND an opportunity to vote on an issue of this magnitude.

    It has supposedly taken the village over a year to come up with a parking garage concept on top of someones home, with a TIF tool to fund it. It is time to go back to the drawing board.

    Posted Friday Dec 15, 2006 09:56 #
  7. DougPollock
    Member

    What happens if the voters say no to the TIF question and the Village Board decides to pursue a conditional TIF? Don't you think people will interpret that as the Board taking action contrary to the voters wishes? It is advisory but it carries a lot of weight. If I were a Trustee and the voters answered your question no, I would feel obligated not to approve TIF under any circumstances. Perhaps the question should be "Shall the Village of Riverside approve the Tax Increment Financing (TIF) District Redevelopment Plan as has been proposed to date?" This one I could definitely vote no on.

    Posted Friday Dec 15, 2006 11:00 #
  8. TJS
    Member

    This is the purpose of the debate, public hearings and meetings. Let's find out what Riversiders think of a TIF in Riverside. I am opposed to a TIF in any form in Riverside. I believe the majority of the people in Riverside feel that way as well. If the majority of the voters in Riverside feel that a TIF is not a good idea, I would hope the board would not pursue a TIF. If I am wrong, and the majority feel a TIF should be implemented, then the village board should continue with their planning.

    Terry

    Posted Friday Dec 15, 2006 11:17 #
  9. ChrisHajer
    Member

    Terry, I am not personally opposed to a TIF in any form. I think using some of Doug's good ideas from this post there are circumstances where TIF would be useful. In essence, we'd be taking money from other taxing bodies and keeping it local, that's all. I don't see the harm in that.

    Posted Friday Dec 15, 2006 11:49 #
  10. HollyMachina
    Member

    I just read the latest forum posts. Doug, I do appreciate your dialogue about the TIF & agree w/ you on many points you've made, yet I disagree w/ you concerning the petition/referendum. I don't think a TIF is the only effective economic development tool available to our village, as you've stated. There are other tools, one of which is for the Village to put together a plan, present it to the Riverside citizens, then allow them to vote on it as a referendum. There is also the Main Street program. There are others still. I do not believe a TIF is the only tool our village can use to better our downtown.

    And, as you know, IF the referendum gets on the April ballot, AND a no vote is the majority, it is only advisory anyway.

    Posted Friday Dec 15, 2006 14:03 #

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