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  1. spatny
    Member

    One month ago I posted this:

    To TIF or not to TIF???

    The Village Board of Trustees, the Village President, and the Village Manager all want to establish a TIF district in Riverside. They have the power to do so, despite the fact that a sizable, and perhaps a majority of the residents, don't want it. If they go ahead and do it, without ever presenting a concrete plan for what they hope to accomplish with the funds they will grab and sequester, what recourse do we have? Sadly, practically none. With a simple majority vote of the Board they can put in motion a mechanism that will allow this Board and future Boards to spend somewhere between $20 and $35 million dollars over the next 23 to 35 years on what has so far only been defined as a rather ephemeral effort to bring retail businesses to downtown Riverside.

    We don't know exactly how they intend to spend these funds because there has been no concrete plan presented. We can only surmise what this Board, and future Boards, will do with the funds that they extract and sequester for this purpose. Our only clue as to what they might do lies in what they have already done, such as overriding the zoning code they themselves established in order to saddle us with that ugly, oversized monstrosity that is now not yet half way to its ultimate height at the former Henninger's site.

    Who besides the developers will benefit from the more than $6 million dollars in additional sales revenues that variance made possible?

    When this Board goes so far as to label homes and property on Pine Street as the site for future “purchase— for the construction of a multilevel parking structure, when letters are sent to other property owners in the proposed TIF district informing them that their properties are “blighted— or that they are under utilizing their property, when “special— single-agenda item meetings are held to discuss giving a specific developer “inducements" for projects already agreed upon, when undefined buildings and parking lots are drawn into areas that we believe should remain vacant, what are we left to think? Only the obvious - that this TIF money will be used to induce developers to pack downtown with more and more condominiums that may or may not have successful retail businesses located on their ground floors.

    Riverside, because of its unique design, has a unique problem. We have a street pattern that brings us some seclusion, and leaves us what Olmsted intended - a Service Core to provide convenient and necessary services for the Village residents. It was never designed as a “Central Business District— or laid out so as to attract visitors from other places. Our Village was perfectly designed to be and create what it is - a peaceful, tranquil oasis in a vast sea of mediocrity. Packing it with retail shops, compacting it with condos, will only detract from Riverside's best qualities. No one ever bought a house here because they thought Page Two

    it was a great place to shop, and sadly, the harsh realities of retailing today dictate that off-the-beaten track locations in high priced new buildings are not viable for any but a select few businesses. That, coupled with the fact that much of Riverside's prime downtown property is in the hands of an owner who has not shown any willingness to improve his property , makes it all too clear that this thrust toward emulating the larger commuter suburbs is foolish, at best. More likely it a mere smokescreen to cover the drive to build the two hundred plus new units that the Metra-sponsored TOD study recommended and that our leaders can't stop salivating over.

    And what about including our prized park, the Swan Pond, in this mess? Labeling the beauty spot of the Village as “blighted—, stating that it must be “improved,— harping about inane and inappropriate projects such as a paved “river walk— complete with a souvenir stand, a boutique hotel and catering facility, a community center - all in what we consider to be our cherished, tranquil riverside parkland, is patently foolish if not criminal. Why, one wonders, can't they just leave all this alone?

    The answer, of course, is money. Real estate tax money. Legal fees. Sales tax money. Commissions on the sale of condos. Higher salaries. A few will make a little more money. Everybody else will get more kids and less money going to the schools, more strains on the infrastructure, more traffic in the center of town, more people from someplace else to come and utilize and throw trash in the parks. Just what we need.

    Look at the record. This Board has botched every development project it has dealt with. I believe that allowing this Board in particular, maybe any Board, to be able to grab this kind of long-term money stream and spend it as they see fit to decide somewhere down the line, for whatever ill-defined projects they may conceive, is simply stupid and will be a serious blow to what Riverside's residents really care about - the quality of life here - now and in the days to come. Don't let this happen. Rise up and tell this Board of Trustees that, until they have presented a plan as to exactly what they propose to spend these funds for - NO TIF. If they still want to proceed they should do the work they should have done before they ever raised this issue, and allow the entire Village to participate in that planning., A well conceived plan that is supported by a majority of the residents should be a precursor to any such tax initiative. I urge all my fellow residents to tell this Board - loud and clear: NO PLAN - NO TIF!

    I can't see how this has become any less valid. Having these workshops is an interesting exercise, but with less than 2% of Village residents attending, and so many ideas being thrown around in such a short space of time, I fail to see what it accomplishes. It seems to me that taking a full year to have an architectural school " study our studies" and develop some concrete and more detailed visions for us to look at is the minimum that should happen. If we really need to fix any water or sewer lines now, we can have a bond issue vote for that. Most of the rest can wait until we know where we are going, and what is behind all this "Rush to Judgement." Let's stop hiring these high priced consultants for 12 months and see what other expertise we can get from a school that is interested in doing a project like this. In the meantime, the Dam engineers can do their thing, the EDC can produce something that will induce visitors here to see our architectural treasures and maybe bring Zoo patrons into town. The VC will finish and fill up - or not - and we can strengthen our codes so nothing like that happens again. We can plant some more trees and cut back on paying lawyers and consultants so much money. We can find out what we want, what we can afford, where we want to go, before we act. What's wrong with that?

    Posted Sunday Feb 11, 2007 21:57 #
  2. Lonnie
    Member

    Don, amen to everything you wrote. Of course, in answer to your question, nothing at all is wrong with it except that our village officials and their commission lapdogs want high density development. That's what its all about. They fully embraced what their out of town hirelings [Camiros] told them years ago-- "Density is your friend". Then they designed the zoning [B2] to allow it. Now they want a TIF to encourage more of it.

    Posted Monday Feb 12, 2007 19:41 #
  3. Tim
    Member

    From FL Olmsted,

    "Riverside is a semi-rural suburb, not far from the City of Chicago, designed to foster and express the harmonious association and cooperation of citizens in the community, and the civic relationship and interdependence between families, and to suggest and imply leisure, contemplativeness, and happy tranquility, with miles of pleasant access to the scenery of the streets and open spaces, to sunshine and fresh air, and to convenient commercial activity to support our daily lives. The character of this community is expressed in a unified landscape experience through a consistent, continuous planting approach, and a sense of enclosure and of safety with curvilinear streets."

    Guess I missed the part about the high-density development...

    Posted Monday Feb 12, 2007 19:56 #
  4. MikeT
    Member

    Tim, I love that statment from Olmsted.

    He said it so much better than I awkwardly tried to enuniciate when I spoke of a 'mobius strip'.

    ...Mobius strips of organic distinctive interweaving spaces instead of strip malls of sameness.

    'charm' can be unpacked with such terms as ...

    small, nice, friendly, scale, walkable, pastoral, rural, space, quiet, tranquil, quaint, responsive, interactive, green, slow, easy pace, open, clear, 'can get your arms around it', bikable, like a moebius strip, points w/in Riverside seem interconnected and somehow closer than the feeling of space in other towns ...

    http://www.riversideinfo.org/forum/topic.php?id=31&replies=21#post-1739

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    and there is so much more in that statement, tim...

    On the 'cbd'....

    Olmsted says...

    pleasant access to ... convenient commercial activity to support our daily lives. The character of this community is expressed in a unified landscape...

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    unpack it...

    Pleasant access (not gridlock and congestion)
    support our daily lives (basic products and services)
    unified landcape (there s/b an extrapolation from non-cbd to cbd of the same design principles in order to be 'unified'; Riverside is interconnected; there really is no 'other side of the tracks', a there and here - it is all one. GENIUS! we're living in a Van Gogh !)
    http://www.riversideinfo.org/forum/topic.php?id=31&replies=21#post-2564

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    But Van Gogh 'says' it so much better...

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    We are connected to the sky, the moon, the ground, the road, the trees. Unity in Riverside

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    Buldings and garden in harmony

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    tranquil space, unified landscape, pleasant access

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    unified landscape

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    menders- mend right interconnected

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    Person is connected to the clouds, the tree trunks, the flowers, the walkway, the building:
    in my end is my beginning

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    RIVERSIDE...

    mobius strip
    not a mall
    flowering CBD

    Posted Monday Feb 12, 2007 23:02 #
  5. Lonnie
    Member

    The unified concept of Olmsted's design is the key to understanding what he was doing. You can't divide up the village into planning areas without considering how it fits into the whole. Downtown planning lacks this, as does the flawed B2 zoning disaster, which ignores how a high density urban area fits into the two main semi-rural residential commons adjacent. It breaks Olmsted's plan at its central point and creates an incongruity.

    Posted Tuesday Feb 13, 2007 08:32 #
  6. corbi328
    Member

    I must say that the hypocrisy of some posters on this site is mind boggling. If at the conclusion of this process a majority of village residents conclude that we don't want to touch the CBD because we do not want to increase density in the Village, then perhaps we should reassess density issues throughout the whole Village. I think the first item on the agenda should be a reevaluation of all legal, non-conforming properties within the village that contribute to high density.

    Posted Tuesday Feb 13, 2007 09:20 #
  7. MikeT
    Member

    Let's try to steer clear of personal stuff but stay focused on managing High Density in Riverside.

    Agreed, corbi328, there are probably legal non confirming properties that contribute to high density in Riverside.

    But recall the saying,

    ..Two wrongs don't make a right.

    So because we have had bad design and bad adminsitration decisions in the past, does that mean that we should continue that approach?

    Recall the (HRCollins) driver to our endeavor:
    Make - Riverside - Better - than - we - found - it. When we find trash, pick it up and throw it away. Of course, it goes without saying that we should not knowingly add to the trash. It seems to me that there has been more bad development decisions than good ones in Riverside in the past.

    If we cannot make it better, then

    Do no harm.

    m

    Posted Tuesday Feb 13, 2007 10:08 #
  8. MikeT
    Member

    Unified. I think we have a key design element in all of this.

    In Riverside, the sense of 'over there' and 'here' is diminished. There should not be a severe sense of distinction between the 'downtown' and 'non downtown' that we see in the designs of other towns. There should not be that shocking sense of difference that we feel, for example, when we enter Riverside from Harlem via Longcommon.

    Yes, Katy, we should have a downtown as beautiful as the surrounding areas (she said this in one of the newspapers as one rationale for the current redevelopment endeavor). But an essential part of the beauty of the surrounding area is interconnected space, unity... low density follows. The cbd is a part of this interconnected space, an essential part, almost the summation, a sort of a denouement to the work. TOD says almost as much when it speaks of the highest concentration of open space in the Village is located in the cbd. That statement does not mean that the space should be plundered!

    The cbd should not be like normal rectilinearly laid out towns where, when you go there, you feel congested and compressed and stressed. There should be a sense of continuity of flow from one area to the other. This can be accompished with smart and scaled commercial developments. As I said in my walk from Pine to Blythe with the dog and the wagon and the kids, it is of one piece. Pine is Blythe. Similarly with parks in Riverside: in other towns, you 'go to' the park for park ambience; in Riverside the park sense is already there - where you are.

    From a money/commerce/redevelopment/ point of view, allowing some R1 homes as B and B's in the surrounding cbd area would be an example of less distinction between the money earning cbd and the 'Bedroom community outside'.

    Riveride is unified and is one. But that does not mean that we should make it all bedrooms (remove 1t floor requirement to be commercial in the cbd). The properly scaled cbd is a part of the canvas.

    m

    Posted Tuesday Feb 13, 2007 10:54 #
  9. spatny
    Member

    Corbi - what does that mean in English?

    The problem with a B&B on a street like Bartram, for instance, is the intrusion into neighbors privacy and, of course, parking. Most people won't arrive on the train and taxi to Bartram, they'll drive there. And then where does the car go at night - or for that matter, all day? Today a B&B, tomorrow a Pilates studio, then an architectural office with three employees - see what I mean. Can't do it.

    Posted Tuesday Feb 13, 2007 11:56 #
  10. corbi328
    Member

    Mr. Spatny,

    I think it is pretty clear what it means.

    Posted Tuesday Feb 13, 2007 12:20 #

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