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  1. corbi328
    Member

    KimJ,

    Point #1 is true but has no bearing on this discussion. Your point #2 is wrong and is probably driven by your misunderstanding of what point #1 means. Your point #3 is also wrong in the context of how I said we can make the schools whole. Your point #4 is your opinion, which I and many other people disagree with.

    In summary, we are not reverting to the old issues. The impact of the Riverside TIF on our schools is negligible in the short term and is a potential windfall for them in the long term. Given the above, the well being of our schools should not be used as a scare tactic or excuse to not puruse the TIF.

    Posted Thursday Feb 22, 2007 16:06 #
  2. MikeT
    Member

    back to motivation to the TIF,

    "it's the MONEY, stu--"

    http://www.riversideinfo.org/forum/topic.php?id=174&page=4&replies=112#post-3060

    "Education", "Olmstedian charm"...just words.

    side note-riverside SHOULD BE on sound financial footing. common ground.

    but the best way to ensure this is to attend very closely to, and not compromise, those things that make RIverside great, special, unique ... that is, IF we do this [keep the schools stellar - as a poster in the high school says, "the road to success is always under construction"; schools/us got to keep working to retain and actually overarch, our current good standards), AND keep (as well as improve on past garbage mistakes) the Olmsted cachet of a unified landscape and tranquility],

    we will keep Riverside healthy, wealthy, and wise - gahd, that worked real well - THANK YOU, Ben Franklin!

    *schools (all levels, including jr college)
    *Olmsted cachet

    let me link to the mission stmt

    http://www.riversideinfo.org/forum/topic.php?id=184&replies=66

    "Riverside is a semi-rural suburb, not far from the City of Chicago, designed to foster and express the harmonious association and cooperation of citizens in the community, and the civic relationship and interdependence between families, and to suggest and imply leisure, contemplativeness, and happy tranquility, with miles of pleasant access to the scenery of the streets and open spaces, to sunshine and fresh air, and to convenient commercial activity to support our daily lives. The character of this community is expressed in a unified landscape experience through a consistent, continuous planting approach, and a sense of enclosure and of safety with curvilinear streets."

    The people of Riverside are dedicated to perpetuating the vision of Olmsted and Vaux as a model community for timeless suburban living. As stewards of Olmsted's vision, we will preserve, protect and maintain Riverside's character and historic landmark status by guiding the physical design of our community, by conserving our natural resources, by maintaining Riverside's facilities and infrastructure, and by governing with fiscal responsibility and adherence to the Vision.

    We, the people of Riverside, humbled by the foresight of Frederick Law Olmsted and in gratitude for the privilege of living our lives as guests of his masterful creation, are dedicated to protecting his vision for Riverside for generations to come.

    Faced with modern-day challenges that Olmsted's vision does not address, we are guided by the spirit of his concern for humanity and nature, and the innovative and thoughtful essence of his work.

    .....and education is explicitly mentioned in the other stmt....

    .

    Above all, we are resolved to unyieldingly protect the environment, promote social justice, and guarantee education of the highest quality for our children. We invite visitors of all ages to share in our heritage and explore the inspiring and beautiful Riverside experience.

    Posted Thursday Feb 22, 2007 16:06 #
  3. Tim
    Member

    "I have voted for all of the school referenda to date. "

    Mike S.

    I was looking for someone who could tally up the referenda for me. In fact, if you don't want to answer...maybe someone else would...

    How many referenda has Riverside voted for in favor of the schools since your mother began working at RB 25 years ago?

    What would be your best guess as to how many referenda we may need in the next 23 years?

    That second question is a real good one. Ask your buddy Corbi how the answer to that question affects his 'calculations' based on cap.

    Posted Thursday Feb 22, 2007 16:18 #
  4. corbi328
    Member

    Tim,

    The answer to your question is that referendums have no bearing on my calculations. Let me repeat once again, referendums and TIFs are NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. A TIF would not divert tax dollars from schools resulting from a referendum.

    Posted Thursday Feb 22, 2007 16:34 #
  5. Tim
    Member

    "A TIF would not divert tax dollars from schools resulting from a referendum."

    Correct. But has no bearing on my question. It does have bearing on how taxpayers would make up the difference to maintain school budgets once the TIF is capturing funds from the Village 'pie'...60% of which historically belong to the schools. Less money for school budget due to TIF = more referenda for taxpayors.

    "The answer to your question is that referendums have no bearing on my calculations."

    Correct. Your calculations neglect the burden of taxation that will be carried by the residents of Riverside secondary to monies captured by the TIF FUND...in order to maintain school budgets. The TIF will force residents to either opt for decrease in school budget or vote for referenda, again and again and again...

    ...Oh, BTW, can you give Mike a call and get the number of referenda for me.

    Posted Thursday Feb 22, 2007 17:17 #
  6. KimJ
    Member

    From Corgi,
    "A TIF would not divert tax dollars from schools resulting from a referendum."

    Is it then true that should a school go to referendum, the rest of the village not only pays their portion of the tax hike, but also picks up the share that is not coming out of the TIF district?

    Posted Thursday Feb 22, 2007 17:19 #
  7. corbi328
    Member

    Kimj,

    You should really watch the spelling. It's kind of surprising coming from someone who is such a spelling vigilante. If I didn't know any better, I would conclude that you are doing it on purpose. You should take care to not give the appearance of being so mean or people won't like you. We wouldn't want the Bantam to develop that kind of reputation. It wouldn't be good for your political aspirations.

    Posted Thursday Feb 22, 2007 18:22 #
  8. KimJ
    Member

    oops, thanks for the spell check!
    lol

    Posted Thursday Feb 22, 2007 18:25 #
  9. spatny
    Member

    Hey, the Queen has Corgis. They're nice little guys, just low slung. The Bantam does not land low blows. She's just trying to type like me. Give her a pass.

    Posted Thursday Feb 22, 2007 18:32 #
  10. CuriousResident
    Member

    Tim and Kim are rehighlighting what I was trying to say yesterday:
    " Isn't this just going to push the schools to a referendum sooner than later?"

    But you guys have added the multiplier/explanation point.

    Not only did our money already go to the developers instead of the schools, the frozen for 23yrs contributions are relatively less and less compared to the tax base as a whole.

    So, it will not be just 1 referendum, because over 23yrs there will probably be one every 3yrs(after realizing the triannual assesments won't keep up)!

    Posted Thursday Feb 22, 2007 19:19 #

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